[CPWG] . NGO

Tue Jan 14 04:16:51 UTC 2020

There's no plan for making money out of a TLD with 10 million registrations
that can be applied equally to domains with less than 4,000 registrations.

Greg Shatan
greg at isoc-ny.org
President, ISOC-NY
*"The Internet is for everyone"*

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:57 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
wrote:

> .NGO & .ONG have insignificant numbers of registrations compared to .ORG
>
> TLDs
> 1..org
> 2 . ngo
> 3 . . ong
> 4..xn--clavg
> 5..xn--ilb6bla6a2e
> 6..xn--nqv7f
> 7..xn-nqv7fs00ema
>
> DUMs
> 1..org- 10M
> 2 . .ngo -3,800
> 3.. ong-3,800
> 4..xn--clavg - 1,100
> 5..xn--nqv7f - 235
> 6..xn--ilb6bla6a2e - 78
> 7..xn-nqv7fs00ema - N/
>
>
> Source:
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> P.S. Also see:
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/
>
> On 13/01/2020 18:01, Bill Jouris via CPWG wrote:
>
> Perhaps we could go the opposite direction.  Have PIR keep .NGO and .ONG
> while divesting .ORG to a non-profit?  If they have a plan for making money
> out of .ORG, they ought to be able to apply it equally to the other TLDs.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Bill Jouris
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:34:24 AM PST, Roberto Gaetano
> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Be aware that as of today the operation of .NGO/.ONG is not a profitable
> business. Very few registrars sell them, mostly because of the added
> complication of the validation step (the registrant is required to be a
> proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either .NGO or .ONG will
> automatically allocate also the other one) and the high price (it is high
> to cover the additional costs for the items above). On top of that, a
> minimum fee has to be paid to ICANN regardless whether domain names are
> sold or not.
> I am not aware of any changes in PIR to address this problem, so it is
> fairly likely that a new owner of .NGO/.ONG will be in bad shape, because
> it will not have the profitable .ORG to support the losing business, nor
> will it have any power to exert onto the backend provider to force them to
> support a TLD that has very specific additional requirements.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
> On 13.01.2020, at 16:12, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>
> I floated this exact idea on another mailing list Dec 11....
>
> that as a condition of acquiring .ORG. Ethos divested of .NGO/.ONG to a
> community body, and then provided a fund to assist the brand-altering costs
> of any nonprofits that wanted to move. In the forum it was presented, it
> was flat out rejected as a half measure  when the objective was to stop the
> sale --- so I never pursued it further. In fact, since .NGO already has a
> vetting process in place (which could be modified in order to scale) it
> could more reliably be a genuine no-freeloader place for nonprofits.
>
> - Evan
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
>
> Working on an outline for a response from us on this whole ORG thing and
> had a crazy idea. What if we suggest that PIR be asked to divest itself of
> NGO and award that to the new nonprofit. Right now PIR have a kind of
> monopoly on the field with those two as well as FOUNDATION.
>
> We've had a lot of discussion about making sure there is a public interest
> driven registry and a safe place for the nonprofit community. NGO already
> has a lot of those requirements in place and could be relaunched with a
> more specific set of commitments in the contract. We could even figure out
> how to minimize the NGO presence in the secondary market.
>
> PIR having NGO as a competitor might help keep them in line as well.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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