[CPWG] . NGO

Tue Jan 14 04:31:07 UTC 2020

I don't understand. The point is not to have another wealthy non profit but to have an alternative to ORG, run by a nonprofit. The current numbers aren't relevant. The fact that they are currently expensive can also be remedied. I'm not suggesting this INSTEAD of revisions to the ORG agreement but in addition to to them.

Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
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To: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
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Subject: Re: [CPWG] . NGO

There's no plan for making money out of a TLD with 10 million registrations that can be applied equally to domains with less than 4,000 registrations.

Greg Shatan
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President, ISOC-NY
"The Internet is for everyone"

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:57 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
.NGO & .ONG have insignificant numbers of registrations compared to .ORG

TLDs
1..org
2 . ngo
3 . . ong
4..xn--clavg
5..xn--ilb6bla6a2e
6..xn--nqv7f
7..xn-nqv7fs00ema

DUMs
1..org- 10M
2 . .ngo -3,800
3.. ong-3,800
4..xn--clavg - 1,100
5..xn--nqv7f - 235
6..xn--ilb6bla6a2e - 78
7..xn-nqv7fs00ema - N/

Source: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf
Kindest regards,

Olivier

P.S. Also see: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/

On 13/01/2020 18:01, Bill Jouris via CPWG wrote:
Perhaps we could go the opposite direction.  Have PIR keep .NGO and .ONG while divesting .ORG to a non-profit?  If they have a plan for making money out of .ORG, they ought to be able to apply it equally to the other TLDs.

Just a thought.

Bill Jouris

On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:34:24 AM PST, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com><mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:

Be aware that as of today the operation of .NGO/.ONG is not a profitable business. Very few registrars sell them, mostly because of the added complication of the validation step (the registrant is required to be a proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either .NGO or .ONG will automatically allocate also the other one) and the high price (it is high to cover the additional costs for the items above). On top of that, a minimum fee has to be paid to ICANN regardless whether domain names are sold or not.
I am not aware of any changes in PIR to address this problem, so it is fairly likely that a new owner of .NGO/.ONG will be in bad shape, because it will not have the profitable .ORG to support the losing business, nor will it have any power to exert onto the backend provider to force them to support a TLD that has very specific additional requirements.
Cheers,
Roberto

On 13.01.2020, at 16:12, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org<mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:

I floated this exact idea on another mailing list Dec 11....

that as a condition of acquiring .ORG. Ethos divested of .NGO/.ONG to a community body, and then provided a fund to assist the brand-altering costs of any nonprofits that wanted to move. In the forum it was presented, it was flat out rejected as a half measure  when the objective was to stop the sale --- so I never pursued it further. In fact, since .NGO already has a vetting process in place (which could be modified in order to scale) it could more reliably be a genuine no-freeloader place for nonprofits.

- Evan

On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
Working on an outline for a response from us on this whole ORG thing and had a crazy idea. What if we suggest that PIR be asked to divest itself of NGO and award that to the new nonprofit. Right now PIR have a kind of monopoly on the field with those two as well as FOUNDATION.

We've had a lot of discussion about making sure there is a public interest driven registry and a safe place for the nonprofit community. NGO already has a lot of those requirements in place and could be relaunched with a more specific set of commitments in the contract. We could even figure out how to minimize the NGO presence in the secondary market.

PIR having NGO as a competitor might help keep them in line as well.

Thoughts?

Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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