[CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

[Evan Leibovitch]

Hi Roberto,

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 06:31, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
wrote:


> I am not sure that a SW daemon could be seen as end user by the RFC8890
> definition. Para.2 states:
>
> In this document, "end users" means human users whose activities IETF standards support, sometimes indirectly.
>
> To me, that excludes “non-human” entities.
>


And just one paragraph below, it states that the end user's presence could
be represented

 "at the keyboard" or represented by software indirectly (e.g., as a daemon).

That's pretty explicit. While software itself is "non-human", it's created
by humans and could be interpreted as acting in an automated manner as a
proxy for them.

Anyway, what I find very important is not just the consideration about end
> users, but the statement in para.3 that:
>
> […]the IETF is not neutral about the purpose of its work in developing the Internet;
>
>
> To me that means an assumption of responsibility about the consequences -
> including political and social - of the development of the internet, and
> the need to factor these considerations in the IETF work.
> After all, we all are constantly wondering “why are we doing all this?”
> and the answer that we give to this question is crucial for the future of
> the Internet.
>

That sentence reads to me as aspirational rather than a reflection of
reality. That section 3 of the document is titled "*Why the IETF Should
Prioritize End Users*" (emphasis mine)  indicates that it does not already
do so, and needs to be convinced.

- Evan
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