[CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

[Jonathan Zuck]

Agree. It IS an RFC, after all

Jonathan Zuck
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org>
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From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 3:12:57 AM
To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
Cc: CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

Hi Roberto,

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 06:31, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>> wrote:

I am not sure that a SW daemon could be seen as end user by the RFC8890 definition. Para.2 states:

In this document, "end users" means human users whose activities IETF standards support, sometimes indirectly.

To me, that excludes “non-human” entities.


And just one paragraph below, it states that the end user's presence could be represented

 "at the keyboard" or represented by software indirectly (e.g., as a daemon).


That's pretty explicit. While software itself is "non-human", it's created by humans and could be interpreted as acting in an automated manner as a proxy for them.

Anyway, what I find very important is not just the consideration about end users, but the statement in para.3 that:

[…]the IETF is not neutral about the purpose of its work in developing the Internet;

To me that means an assumption of responsibility about the consequences - including political and social - of the development of the internet, and the need to factor these considerations in the IETF work.
After all, we all are constantly wondering “why are we doing all this?” and the answer that we give to this question is crucial for the future of the Internet.

That sentence reads to me as aspirational rather than a reflection of reality. That section 3 of the document is titled "Why the IETF Should Prioritize End Users" (emphasis mine)  indicates that it does not already do so, and needs to be convinced.

- Evan
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