[CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the 60-days lock

[gopal at annauniv.edu]

Dear All,

I am only thinking aloud and technically I relish all tunable parameters
in large dynamical systems like what ICANN has been very admirably 
working with.

The specific case in point in the 17 November meeting has been the "opt 
- out" choice.

Being deterministic in large systems give a veneer of assurance that 
things are not
likely to slip into chaotic state. No guarantee as one who is hell bent 
in breaking
in will eventually do so.

Also, homogeneity is a better recipe for chaotic conditions.

Hence, where possible I would strongly urge to include choice such as 
the one indicated
in the attached screen - shot.

This way we get a voluntary buy-in from a core stakeholder segment. 
Things become managerial
and what is being looked for is a numane approach in dealing with 
conditions that have gone awry.

My humble submission: When things go awry, Ethics First and Legal Next

Sincerely,




Gopal T V
0 9840121302
https://vidwan.inflibnet.ac.in/profile/57545
https://www.facebook.com/gopal.tadepalli

PS: I am sorry if using the screenshots of the Registrar and Registrant 
screens
is not permissible in ICANN presentations. I have not seen any in the 
past three years
from within ICANN.
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Dr. T V Gopal
Professor
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
College of Engineering
Anna University
Chennai - 600 025, INDIA
Ph : (Off) 22351723 Extn. 3340
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On 2021-11-18 02:55, John McCormac via CPWG wrote:
> On 09/11/2021 17:44, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> At the TPR WG Meeting on Nov 9, 2021, the 60-days locks were 
>> discussed. The present policy – and the majority of Registry 
>> Operators, have a 60-days transfer lock after the initial registration 
>> of a domain name AND a 60-days lock after a successful inter-registrar 
>> transfer.
>> 
>> Based on the discussion in the TPR WG, I would like to hear the CPWG 
>> opinion by asking the following:
> 
> Following up on today's meeting:
> 
>> 1. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after the initial 
>> registration of a domain name?
> 
> Yes.
> This is still important to deal with issues of reversed creditcard
> charges and non-payment. While payments systems have improved, this 60
> day lock is still a defence against an orchestrated attack using
> stolen payment details.
> 
>> 2. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after a successful 
>> transfer of a domain name?
> 
> Yes.
> This is one way of drastically reducing the chances of success for
> domain name theft. Domain name thieves generally use multiple
> registrars to make it difficult for the registrant to recover their
> stolen domain name.
> 
>> 3. Could the above be optional?
> 
> No.
> And ICANN Compliance should proactively enforce it.
> 
>> 4. Should the Registrant has the option to opt-out?
> 
> No.
> Do the people who came up with the proposal of making it opt-out for
> registrants actually understand the issue of domain name
> theft/hijacking and how the thieves transfer a stolen domain name from
> registrar to registrar to make it difficult for registrants to recover
> their domain name?
> 
> 
> On a related issue that came up in the call, Domain Tasting is very
> different from registrars simply offering time limited promotions.
> 
> Domain Tasting involved registrars simply being set up for the
> purposes of tasting and deleting millions of domain names in the five
> day Add Grace Period. This exploitation of the AGP spread to retail
> registrars. Over approximately five years, over 1 billion
> (1,000,000,000) .COM domain names were tasted. The ICANN registry
> reports were flawed and incomplete at the time and remained so until
> 2014. Those of us who were tracking the issue at a domain name level
> measured it in worn out harddrives.
> 
> It was only when legal action was taken against a few key registrars
> and Google announced that it would not monetise registrations within
> their five day AGP period that Domain Tasting took a near fatal hit.
> ICANN was stuck in a procastination loop while Domain Tasting was
> happening but it was convinced to eventually do the right thing by
> adding a "restocking" fee for new registations deleted within the AGP.
> When that was implemented, large-scale Domain Tasting stopped. Domain
> Tasting has nothing to do with the 60 day locks.
> 
> Regards...jmcc
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