[CPWG] Are Blockchain Domains within the Mission of ICANN - WAS RE: Questions to the board about distributed DNS

Fri Aug 26 16:03:38 UTC 2022

Hi Michele

All what I have found is the real-time captioning of the session: https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2017-day-0-salle-2-the-dns-and-emerging-identifiers-including-doa. Searching for “Durand” will get you to his presentation.

Maybe we can ask him directly about more material/information?

The overarching question I have - off-topic, though - is whether the incredible rise in cost of energy will have an effect on further development and deployment of blockchain technologies, since this looks like using an inordinate amount of power.

Cheers,
Roberto

On 26.08.2022, at 14:13, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>> wrote:

No – it was from the 2017 IGF, but I can’t find it online annoyingly ☹
It was a presentation by Alain Durand – there were also some panel sessions on similar topics at the same event

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From: Chokri Ben Romdhane <chokribr at gmail.com<mailto:chokribr at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 18:33
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Subject: Re: [CPWG] Are Blockchain Domains within the Mission of ICANN - WAS RE: Questions to the board about distributed DNS

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Hi Michele,
Do you mean this session https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2018-ws-408-dns-enhancements-and-alternatives-for-the-future-internet.

Freindly regards
Chokri

Le mer. 24 août 2022 à 4:56 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> a écrit :
Somebody with more patience than I might be able to find links to materials ICANN used at the IGF in Geneva a few years back. One of their technical team gave a very good presentation about “alternate identifiers”, which was very helpful.

There definitely is the potential for confusion between “real” domains that actually resolve on the public internet and ones that don’t.

I’m also having flashbacks to “new net” or whatever it was called from the 90s

Regards

Michele

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Date: Friday, 19 August 2022 at 15:40
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Subject: [CPWG] Are Blockchain Domains within the Mission of ICANN - WAS RE: Questions to the board about distributed DNS

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Dear CPWG,

Before engaging with other ACs or even the Board on this issue, I believe the ALAC should decide whether they believe Blockchain domains are even within ICANN’s scope/mission.  There is a good argument to be made that the activities that occur with Blockchain domain names are not within ICANN’s mission.

ICANN’s mission is to “ensure the stable and secure operation of the Internet’s unique identifier systems….”

Question:  Are blockchain domains part of “the Internet’s unique identifier systems”?

The argument against this being in ICANN’s mission is that Blockchain domains are not part of the “DNS”. Thus, (a) uniform or coordinates resolution is not reasonably necessary to facilitate the openness, interoperability, resilience, security and/or stability of the DNS (Section 1.1 (a)(i) of the ICANN Bylaws).

It is quite possible that Blockchain domains present a threat to the DNS or certainly impacts the DNS.  So the appropriate questions for the Board/SOs/SCs and other is not how ICANN can be involved with Blockchain domains, but rather how does ICANN respond to the existence of the Blockchain Domains, if at all.

For example, will ICANN be able to delegate new TLDs in the DNS if there are conflicting Blockchain domains?

But to assume that ICANN has any jurisdiction over the Blockchain domains or any ability to “regulate” them (if that is even possible) is something we need to examine as it pertains to the mission/scope of ICANN.

Sincerely,

Jeff

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Subject: Re: [CPWG] Questions to the board about distributed DNS

Dear Olivier,
Thank you for your time and interest in this topic.
I understand your point very well, and I totally agree with you and with other friends that we need to engage more discussion within our group  in order to get the large  consensual  decision, and yes SSAC could be a good vis a vis at this stage.

Friendly regards
Chokri

Le ven. 19 août 2022 à 11:23, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>> a écrit :
Dear Chokri,

thanks for bringing this to the CPWG mailing list. Just explaining, I am not calling the questions "immature" - I think they are very pertinent questions, but in terms of maturity in the At-Large discussion, the ALAC position on these topics has not yet matured. Your launch of discussion here will indeed help, and I note that Justine's response relating to both OCTO and SSAC is very pertinent.
I mentioned on the call that this could indeed be a topic for the customary discussion between SSAC and ALAC at this stage.
Kindest regards,

Olivier
On 19/08/2022 12:07, Chokri Ben Romdhane wrote:
Dear friends,
I personally have in mind those  questions for the board about  distributed DNS

"Some ICANN accredited  registrars sell some blockchain DNS based gTLDs, did the board  encourage such activities?
If some non regular DNS causes some collision with some regular DNS gTLD ,accredited by ICANN, how will ICANN act to resolve this issue?"

If you  continue to consider those questions immature as most of our friends mentioned during the call, I personally support Sebastien's proposal to constitute a subgroup that will continue to follow this topic.

Thank you again for your interest in this topic.
Friendly regards
Chokri

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