[CPWG] Are Blockchain Domains within the Mission of ICANN - WAS RE: Questions to the board about distributed DNS

Fri Nov 18 14:32:12 UTC 2022

just one short comment: Vint Cerf had nothing to do with the attempted sale of PIR, and I have never heard any comment from his part in favour of the operation

r.

On 18.11.2022, at 13:09, Evan Leibovitch via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>> wrote:

Hi Chokri,

(First of all, of the five speakers I have zero trust or respect (anymore) for the PoV of either Vint Cerf or Andrew Sullivan. Both were actively promoting a commercial  form of fragmentation -- trying  to destroy the .ORG domain by selling it to venture capital -- using the most UNaccountable, UNtransparent methods possible. They have superb experience, but IMO they have demonstrated that their analyses and perspectives are for sale. So as much as I appreciate their historical contributions, I discount their input here as they have previously advocated complete disregard for the public interest.)

Of the speakers, I'm with Eli and Bill. Who are we kidding? There already is Internet fragmentation, in the form of various site-blocking and censoring mechanisms, to varying degree, around the world. If the will exists, protocols can provide bridges between alternate federated Internets; that could enable future innovations that might provide an alternative to the corporate-driven content cesspool that this Internet has now become. Andrew's assertion that "the alternative to the (current) Internet is no Internet at all" is utter BS that demonstrates both self-service and lack of imagination.

(One real-world example of how what was once a single point of Internet failure can be fixed through a federation is the current transition by many from Twitter to Mastodon.)

In the envisioned world of multiple federated Internets, ICANN oversees just a tiny part -- one function of one Internet implementation -- and that's fine with me. I maintain that what ICANN calls "multistakeholdferism" is just a smokescreen over industry capture, and I welcome Internet alternatives offering governance models that have end users and the public interest as core to policy-making rather than just advisory committees on the periphery.

- Evan

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 5:56 AM Chokri Ben Romdhane via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>> wrote:
Hi all,
Any comments about yesterday's webinar about  Internet Fragmentation, Reconsidered<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/citi-fragmentation/videos/233809733?origin=stream_live&mixpanel_id=136bcbdee9b6e-007947519-13134557-1fa400-136bcbdee9c115a&acc_id=14077045&medium=email> ?
Friendly regards,
Chokri

Le mar. 4 oct. 2022 à 12:35, Chokri Ben Romdhane <chokribr at gmail.com<mailto:chokribr at gmail.com>> a écrit :
1+ Evan let's wait for SSAC Work party report probably by the end of next year !
Chokri

Le mar. 4 oct. 2022 à 08:52, Evan Leibovitch via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>> a écrit :
Hi Annett,

My takeway is that  it would be important for ALAC to keep an eye on the developments of blockchain domains globally for the sole purpose of advocating for and protecting the interests of the Internet end users.

Agree. "Keep an eye on it" is the best ALAC can do ... and if there are real, user-affecting changes that call for advice to the Board or other constituencies then that is wholly appropriate. But not until then.

BTW, I'm not suggesting that there is no place for discussing DNS alternatives, just maintaining that ICANN (and by inference ICANN At-Large) is not the place for it. This is exactly the kind of issue that the IGF needs to be discussing, and perhaps it's also worthy of ISOC and/or its chapters. I note in my review of the applicable Bylaws that ICANN should coordinate with other bodies as recommended by the IETF, so that is also a place where this topic can be raised at the appropriate time.

When the blockchain-registry-wannabes get on the radar of IETF as something worthy of consideration, we can revisit this again in a different light. Until then it's all just vapor and threats.

- Evan

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