[CPWG] Are Blockchain Domains within the Mission of ICANN - WAS RE: Questions to the board about distributed DNS

Tue Sep 27 16:37:30 UTC 2022

Michael:
There are a few of us who long ago read the same bit of prose you did and
interpreted a much wider ICANN role in the Internet ecosystem, for example,
a role in provisioning a wider range of public goods and services.  [For
those of us who are ICT4D practitioners situated in the global South and
concerned with so-called "end user interests", access and cost of access to
the DNS are more compelling than not.]

I hate to tell you it is the orthodoxy of ICANN, the public
benefit corporation, aided and abetted by a variety of interests resident
in the ICANN [multistakeholder] community who say otherwise.

The crowning argument is that stability and security and resilience are
finely graded and represent a very narrow remit.

I give you even money the 'smart money' thinks blockchain-based naming
systems, such as this ENS, is just another alt that is doomed to failure.
The obvious strategic response is to starve it of oxygen by not
collaborating with [DNS root] integration initiatives. I actually think the
orthodox are more concerned that ICANN-accredited registrars dabbling in
the alt naming system trade is by far, the greater threat.

Carlton

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On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 10:43, mike palage.com via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
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> I would encourage everyone to listen to the recording. However, I would
> actually start with the third presentation by CIRA (.CA).  In my personal
> opinion that was the best of the three.
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>
> Evan I am going to push back. I think At-Large is probably the optimal
> place to discuss alternative root names.  Per the At Large Website –
> “At-Large Community acts on the interests of Internet users.”  I would
> argue that At Large is not limited to just Root Zone domain names and IP
> addresses.   Moreover, when you look at ICANN’s articles of incorporation,
> I think it provides a much larger mandate that just the coordination of
> domain names and IP addresses:
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>
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> pursue the charitable and public purposes of lessening the burdens of
> government and promoting the global public interest in the operational
> stability of the Internet by carrying out the mission set forth in the
> bylaws of the Corporation (“*Bylaws*”). Such global public interest may
> be determined from time to time.  Any determination of such global public
> interest shall be made by the multistakeholder community through an
> inclusive bottom-up multistakeholder community process.
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>
>
> Best regards,
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>
>
> Michael
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> *From:* CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf Of * Chokri Ben Romdhane
> via CPWG
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2022 11:10 AM
> *To:* CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>; MOULOUD KHELIF <kelif at hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [CPWG] Are Blockchain Domains within the Mission of ICANN
> - WAS RE: Questions to the board about distributed DNS
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
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> Please find  the record of  the  Emerging Identifier Technologies
> <https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/4ZhSDuzFnVqw66kYgnTuHdDzi_RH0IFCKqKuAzmmcFy7xUPX6aT1op_nmghEdsEV5jxGYZ_sInYl2Oow.4hEm0h7LHhMj6obE?startTime=1663743821000&_x_zm_rtaid=pNBkHu--SL-KGy5yfLrRoA.1664285662735.722e2ee0a7cb19b493f616b538af3f5b&_x_zm_rhtaid=161> session
> ,  held during the ICANN75 meeting,  it provides some use cases of the
> emerging  identifiers technologie.
>
> Thank you @MOULOUD KHELIF <kelif at hotmail.com> for the reminder.
>
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> Friendly regards
>
> Chokri
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> Le sam. 27 août 2022 à 19:17, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> a écrit :
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> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 5:39 AM Chokri Ben Romdhane <chokribr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> But be aware  if you confirm that  the collision issues is/will never
> happened , as you have mentioned in your previous mail, and cross your
> finger that the regular DNS market will continue to attract more customers,
> compared to those NFT, Blockchain TLDs considering the ease of DNS
> management and security they are conferred to end users.
>
>
>
> Hi again,
>
>
>
> You made one fatal error in your assessment above: Internet end-users are
> not registrants.
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> End users don't care about DNS management, and the security THEY seek is
> access to registrant details in the case of domains used for abuse.
>
> The "security" you mention protects registrants and works against the
> interests of end-users.
>
>
>
> It's totally possible that the hubris of DNS alternatives may lead to
> collisions, but end-users will never see the effect of that, Browsers
> continue to use the ICANN root and to date have never seen the benefit of
> pointing to alternames. Plus, two of the biggest browser makers, Google and
> Microsoft, have a deep vested interest in obstructing any alternative DNS.
> Any alternate DNS hoping to be successful would need to create its own
> browser, which is what the TOR project did.
>
> So even if alternative DNSs create TLDs that duplicate ICANN's they will
> never present any collision or confusion to end-users. The only losers will
> be registrants in the alternate systems. I have zero pity for them and they
> are certainly not ALAC's concern or even ICANN's.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Evan
>
>
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