[CPWG] Ready, Fire, Aim

Mon Oct 23 22:24:32 UTC 2023

I’m going to assume that you either failed to read my entire message or you are illiterate and unable to read it. Let me know which it is David, so I know whether to be angry or sad when you throw around an accusation of me not being genuine.

From: David Mackey <mackey361 at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 12:20 AM
To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
Cc: Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch at gmail.com>, CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Ready, Fire, Aim
"Frankly, I don’t think we’ll miss him a bit." Really?

Is it fair to say that your statement on August 30th was not completely genuine?

Is this something we should expect from At-Large leadership in the future?

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 6:14 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
Frankly, I don’t think we’ll miss him a bit. I ALREADY had a plan to have a discussion about our future, which includes further refining our mission and objectives and I invited this inconsolable crybaby to participate. I never promised he would lead anything or that we would adhere to his plan. I invited him to be a part of a discussion that was meant to address our priorities for the future. I was hoping to specifically include fellows and nextgen so we would NOT just hear from a bunch of old timers with an ax to grind.

I don’t even know whether to address Evan’s latest rant with a response because he only remembers what he wants to remember. It began because he thought we were taking on an issue that we shouldn’t. We’ll be discussing what kind of issues we should take on. He suggested that we shouldn’t bother with registrants and that was specifically one of the questions I was already planning to cover because the previous consensus, before my time, was that that end users DID include registrants but that if there was a conflict of interest we would side with non-registrant end users. That is, in fact, a definitional question that Evan, in his wisdom, has decided to classify as navel gazing.

I’m pretty sure there’s no greater navel gazing exercise than the creation of a “mission statement,” but rather than embarrass our periodic friend, I invited him to be part of the discussion. I then further reached out to him privately with what I was planning, inviting his input. Instead of giving it he decided to ONCE. AGAIN throw a pointless tantrum on the list.

So, I say again. Evan, don’t let the door hit you in the ass. We have work to do and there’s no room for babies.

Jonathan

From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cpwg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of David Mackey via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>>
Date: Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:58 PM
To: Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch at gmail.com<mailto:evanleibovitch at gmail.com>>
Cc: CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Ready, Fire, Aim
Jonathan,

Can you please help us understand where your statement on August 30th broke down?

"In any case, let’s have a fulsome discussion about the future of the At-Large and what we want from it, in Hamburg. I’ve set aside 2 hours for our anniversary which is intended to be 10min of celebration and 1:50 of discussion, breakouts, debate, etc. Evan, I hope you’ll be able to participate."

It seems to me that the lack of Evan's experience in our discussions will severely limit the value of any attempt to have a "fulsome" discussion.

Cheers,
David

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 4:14 PM Evan Leibovitch via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org<mailto:cpwg at icann.org>> wrote:
So, apparently...

The specific process and timeline I proposed in August, which attracted a number of endorsements and approvals, has no time in any agenda in Hamburg. Instead there'll be some kind of amorphous discussion of "At-Large TNG" or whatever at the anniversary, involving the same kind of never-ending discussion of definitions and navel-gazing that my proposal explicitly attempted to reduce.

It's hard to come to a conclusion other than At-Large prefers endless introspection and unfocused participation over concrete focus and specific action in service of its bylaw mandate. I consider the reaction to my proposal an act of bad faith and will not be participating in whatever happens Wednesday.

Never let it be said that I have only been negative. But when I come up with something constructive and specific that even seems to be met with broad agreement and interest in participation, it gets binned without explanation and replaced by the status quo. As currently constituted, this environment once again demonstrates that it is incapable of improving itself, let alone the rest of ICANN.

- Evan

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 3:30 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org<mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
Given the short notice and unusual nature of such a travel request, I would like to suggest this timeline:

  1.  Have a "kickoff" in Hamburg, with me participating virtually. I would prepare for and introduce the topic during the anniversary meeting Jonathan mentioned and we would then start to assemble a working group. My preference would be for a small team, preferably of people with strong written English communications skills who have not participated in other ICANN constituencies
  2.  The group would communicate by email list and ad-hoc virtual meetings, reporting progress back to ALAC meetings. If human resources allow, it would be optimal for a group representative to present and take feedback at every RALO at least once.
  3.  The working group -- hopefully with me there in person -- would present its work early in the week of ICANN79 meeting, conducting a public workshop for last-minute fine-tuning, with the intention of ALAC endorsement at its closing meeting.
  4.  The working group disbands, and proposes that ALAC revisit the issue every five years.
- Evan

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Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada
@evanleibovitch / @el56
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