[CWG-Stewardship] [IOTF] Updated draft of responses in PTI Bylaws-AoI table

Tue Jun 28 07:35:10 UTC 2016

Dear Co-Chairs, all

Apologies again for missing the last meeting but based on Matthew's
comment, i have gone to look through the minutes/transcript and i indeed
like to make a few note:

1. There were people on record who seem to have already raised my concern
on 5.4 response
2. There were few who oppose it (and they happen to be same few opposing it
on the list)
3. The rationale given by the Co-Chair(Jonathan) which is about the concern
of the PTI president/manager becoming a co-chair is a valid one but not
strong enough to restrict to nomcom appointee alone as that issue can be
easily avoided by excluding the president from the chair election process.
4. The other rationale stated by the co-chair that our proposal required
nomcom to the appointed chair can't seem to be found on the ICG combined
proposal sent to the NTIA (did a quick check but will appreciate a pointer).
5. My comment on 5.4 is what is being contended and not that of 7.1

I don't think we should be creating this unnecessary lock-in at all as its
not justifiable. The board elects her chair, and none of the chair election
will be done without a vote in support from nomcom for the candidate (since
its a total of 4 members excluding the president). If the board does not
appreciate/like the approach of the chair, then there is the option to
replace the chair by the board members, so i have no idea why we are
creating this sectionalism within a board that should work as a team! I
have posed to Greg/Matthew a few questions in other to understand their
rationale but i didn't get any response which is not a good approach to
deliberation at all. As minor as this issue may be, there is no reason why
missing a meeting would imply one cannot raise a different view and the
outcome of the meeting should not (hasn't been in the past) be the final
view!

FWIW, some of us have lived with lots of stuff in this process which makes
me ask myself occasionally whether we are really ensuring balance of views
across the chartering organizations.

Looking forward to read from the Co-Chairs

Regards

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Co-Chairs,
>
> May I know if these comments of mine are received and would be implemented
> as proposed especially as there is no opposition on the suggestions from
> the list?
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my LG G4
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> On 27 Jun 2016 01:49, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Somehow this skipped my raider, while this is already late, i could not
>> come swallow  2 points from the final text.
>>
>> Section 5.4: I am quite concerned and wonder why we include the following
>> text:
>> "The Chairperson should be a NomCom nominated director". The board does
>> the selection of chair person, so there is NO reason why ICANN appointed
>> board member cannot be the chairperson if the board wants it. I don't think
>> i dig turning the nomcom nominees into the defacto source of
>> chairperson-hood. It seem to me that we are seeing them as more superior
>> and trustworthy that the rest which is not necessarily always the case.
>> Ofcourse i am with the rest of the response to that question.
>>
>> Section 7.1: I am concerned by this conclusion "The Corporation will not
>> need additional officers therefore the board does not need this
>> capability." as i think its an unnecessary lock-in and can have unforeseen
>> implications in future. I will be fine with something that reads like below:
>> "The Corporation should not need additional officers therefore the board
>> may not need this capability. However such may be done with a unanimous
>> votes from board subject to member(s) approval."
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Following the CWG-Stewardship call today, here attached are the latest
>>> redline and clean versions of the PTI response table to deliver to Sidley.
>>> Please review in the next 24h before we consider these final.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Grace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Grace Abuhamad*
>>>
>>> Manager, Public Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers*
>>>
>>> 801 17th Street NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20006
>>>
>>> Direct: +1 202 249 7545 | Mobile: +1 310 200 7638
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Interested in the IANA Stewardship Transition? *
>>>
>>> *LEARN MORE <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>. STAY
>>> UPDATED <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#status>. FOLLOW
>>> <https://twitter.com/icann>. ENGAGE
>>> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#involved>. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *<iotf-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Grace Abuhamad <
>>> grace.abuhamad at icann.org>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 6:49 PM
>>> *To: *"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>, "iotf at icann.org" <
>>> iotf at icann.org>
>>> *Cc: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [IOTF] Updated draft of responses in PTI Bylaws-AoI table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good catch Chuck. Per your comment and Matthew’s agreement, I was
>>> supposed to delete the sentence beginning with “Member approval NOT
>>> required….”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll make the edit in the Google doc and await any further comments
>>> before circulating a new version in time for the CWG call.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Grace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Grace Abuhamad*
>>>
>>> Manager, Public Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers*
>>>
>>> 801 17th Street NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20006
>>>
>>> Direct: +1 202 249 7545 | Mobile: +1 310 200 7638
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Interested in the IANA Stewardship Transition? *
>>>
>>> *LEARN MORE <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>. STAY
>>> UPDATED <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#status>. FOLLOW
>>> <https://twitter.com/icann>. ENGAGE
>>> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#involved>. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 6:35 PM
>>> *To: *Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>, "iotf at icann.org" <
>>> iotf at icann.org>
>>> *Cc: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *RE: Updated draft of responses in PTI Bylaws-AoI table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The edits look good to me.  Was the second option in Section 7.6.1
>>> supposed to be deleted?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Board may approve delegation of responsibilities or powers of
>>> President.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Member approval NOT required for the prescription of additional duties
>>> by the board to the President.[1]
>>> <#m_2156757777003679649_m_6070105227189766713_m_6812292797163057305__msocom_1>
>>>    [2]
>>> <#m_2156757777003679649_m_6070105227189766713_m_6812292797163057305__msocom_2>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Member approval required for the prescription of additional powers by
>>> the board to the President.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* iotf-bounces at icann.org [mailto:iotf-bounces at icann.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Grace Abuhamad
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:16 PM
>>> *To:* iotf at icann.org
>>> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>>> *Subject:* [IOTF] Updated draft of responses in PTI Bylaws-AoI table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Per the discussion on today’s IOTF call, here attached is a redline
>>> version of the edits discussed on the call and a clean version to present
>>> to the CWG-Stewardship on Thursday. Thank you for your patience in the live
>>> editing process!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Grace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Grace Abuhamad*
>>>
>>> Manager, Public Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers*
>>>
>>> 801 17th Street NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20006
>>>
>>> Direct: +1 202 249 7545 | Mobile: +1 310 200 7638
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Interested in the IANA Stewardship Transition? *
>>>
>>> *LEARN MORE <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>. STAY
>>> UPDATED <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#status>. FOLLOW
>>> <https://twitter.com/icann>. ENGAGE
>>> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#involved>. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>
>>> *Date: *Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:47 PM
>>> *To: *<iotf at icann.org>
>>> *Cc: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Reminder: Please review the responses in PTI Bylaws table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In absence of the IOTF call today, I would just like to remind you to
>>> take some time to review the Google doc table of CWG responses on the PTI
>>> Bylaws. There are some notes and live edits made during the last IOTF call,
>>> and some comments from Chuck and Avri. The link to the document is:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rmsp569qRxkWtNSNrJsZzENxFKLwbXVcTDWSGZJEqcU/edit?usp=sharing
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think (but will let the Chairs confirm) that the plan is still to have
>>> CWG-Stewardship sign-off in time (or during) the CWG-Stewardship meeting on
>>> Thursday 16 June. Following group sign-off, the Client Committee would then
>>> be able to share the responses with Sidley for incorporation into the PTI
>>> Bylaws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Grace
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Grace Abuhamad*
>>>
>>> Manager, Public Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers*
>>>
>>> 801 17th Street NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20006
>>>
>>> Direct: +1 202 249 7545 | Mobile: +1 310 200 7638
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Interested in the IANA Stewardship Transition? *
>>>
>>> *LEARN MORE <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>. STAY
>>> UPDATED <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#status>. FOLLOW
>>> <https://twitter.com/icann>. ENGAGE
>>> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#involved>. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 6:00 PM
>>> *To: *<iotf at icann.org>
>>> *Cc: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Process for IANA Bylaws - CWG Questions & Issues from Sidley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Per the email below, steps 1 & 2 have been completed: the
>>> CWG-Stewardship Chairs have provided initial responses, and the staff have
>>> matched these responses to the transcript of the CWG-Stewardship meeting
>>> from last week. The initial responses are available in a Google doc for the
>>> IOTF’s comments at:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rmsp569qRxkWtNSNrJsZzENxFKLwbXVcTDWSGZJEqcU/edit?usp=sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note that the CWG-Stewardship list is copied for information.
>>> Anyone on either of these lists should feel free to review and comment on
>>> the initial responses, but the responsibility lies primarily with the IOTF
>>> at this stage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will let the Chairs clarify the timeline for review, but my
>>> understanding is that we would like to have CWG-Stewardship sign-off in
>>> time (or during) the CWG-Stewardship meeting on Thursday 16 June. Following
>>> group sign-off, the Client Committee would then be able to share the
>>> responses with Sidley for incorporation into the PTI Bylaws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Grace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Grace Abuhamad*
>>>
>>> Manager, Public Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers*
>>>
>>> 801 17th Street NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20006
>>>
>>> Direct: +1 202 249 7545 | Mobile: +1 310 200 7638
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Interested in the IANA Stewardship Transition? *
>>>
>>> *LEARN MORE* <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability>*. **STAY
>>> UPDATED* <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#status>*. *
>>> *FOLLOW* <https://twitter.com/icann>*. **ENGAGE*
>>> <https://www.icann.org/stewardship-accountability#involved>*. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *<cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Jonathan
>>> Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
>>> *Organization: *Afilias
>>> *Reply-To: *Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
>>> *Date: *Monday, June 6, 2016 at 4:04 AM
>>> *To: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *[CWG-Stewardship] Process for IANA Bylaws - CWG Questions &
>>> Issues from Sidley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The substance and process for dealing with CWG Bylaws was discussed this
>>> on last week’s CWG call and then followed up by Lise & myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the discussions within the CWG, we propose the following course
>>> of action in order to get through the work as efficiently as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.       Chairs will make a first attempt at answering / providing
>>> relevant input on the Sidley questions
>>>
>>> 2.       Staff will review chairs’ input for consistency with the CWG
>>> meeting discussions
>>>
>>> 3.       Answers / input to be shared with IOTF group for further
>>> review / development
>>>
>>> 4.       Answers / input to be shared with CWG for further review /
>>> development
>>>
>>> 5.       Answers / input to be shared via Client Committee with Sidley
>>> for incorporation into IANA Bylaws
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank-you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lise & Jonathan
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> I lean toward this approach. It seems to me that the PTI Board should
>>> have this authority on its own; also, it would cause delays if they had to
>>> wait to get ICANN approval, causing unnecessary delays.
>>>
>>> for so long as such powers were strictly limited according to the PTI
>>> mission/role etc.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> IOTF mailing list
>>> IOTF at icann.org
>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/iotf
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb:
>> http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt
>> email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>> <seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>*
>>
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