[CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community

Wed Sep 14 17:59:33 UTC 2016

Thanks Seun.

Yes, first mention of CWG should have read CCG.

Jonathan

From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com] 
Sent: 14 September 2016 18:03
To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community

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Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On 14 Sep 2016 5:23 p.m., "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info> > wrote:
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SO: Sure you meant CCG here.

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> 1.      Skills and expertise required for the CCG reps
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SO:Will be good to have IPC among the 3 but I don't think the Co-Chair "must" be from IPC in that Co-Chair only serve as communication medium.

Regards

> 3.      Likely time commitment required for the CCG reps
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> To this extent, we wanted to remind you of the description of the CCG in the community agreement (ARTICLE 2). We have copied ARTICLE 2 into the body text below.
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> The whole agreement is also attached for your ease of reference.
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> Thank-you for your attention to this detail point.
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> ARTICLE 2      COMMUNITY COORDINATION GROUP
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> 2.1       Formation and Purpose of CCG.  The CCG is hereby formed, and shall operate in accordance with the terms set forth below, to provide guidance, advice, and if expressly specified in this Agreement, approvals, to the IETF Trust regarding the stewardship of the IANA Intellectual Property.
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> 2.2       Composition of CCG.  The CCG shall be comprised of nine (9) individuals, three (3) appointed by each of the Operational Communities (such nine (9) individuals, the “CCG Representatives”). Each Operational Community shall have the right to change any of its CCG Representatives upon written notice to the other Operational Communities and the IETF Trust.  An Operational Community may remove or replace its CCG Representatives at any time and in its sole discretion.  The means and procedures by which an Operational Community elects to select, appoint and remove its own CCG Representatives shall be determined solely by that Operational Community and such procedures and compliance therewith are beyond the scope of this Agreement.
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>   a.  Each Operational Community shall appoint one of its CCG Representatives as a co-chair of the CCG. An Operational Community shall have the right to change its CCG co-chair upon written notice to the other Operational Communities and the IETF Trust.  An Operational Community may remove or replace its CCG co-chair at any time and in its sole discretion.
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>   b.  The CCG co-chairs shall be the IETF Trust’s primary points of contact with the CCG for purposes of this Agreement, and the CCG co-chair appointed by a particular Operational Community shall be the IETF Trust’s primary point of contact with such Operational Community for purposes of this Agreement.
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>   c.  The IETF Trust shall be authorized hereunder to treat a communication from the CCG co-chairs collectively as a communication from the CCG as a whole when the communication identifies itself as such, and the IETF Trust shall not be required to make any additional inquiry regarding the authority or validity of instructions or requests made by the co-chairs collectively on behalf of the CCG. Any such communication shall be sent to the CCG Representatives contemporaneously with being sent to the IETF Trust.
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>   d.  The IETF Trust shall be authorized hereunder to treat a communication from any CCG co-chair as a communication from that co-chair’s Operational Community when the communication identifies itself as such, and the IETF Trust shall not be required to make any additional inquiry regarding the authority or validity of instructions or requests made by any co-chair on behalf of that co-chair’s Operational Community. Any such communication shall be sent to the CCG Representatives contemporaneously with being sent to the IETF Trust.
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>   e.  If the IETF Trust is required under this Agreement, or otherwise elects, to consult with and seek the advice of the CCG with respect to the matters set forth in this Agreement, the IETF Trust will consider in good faith the advice and recommendations provided by the CCG.  There is a rebuttable presumption that the IETF Trust will accept the advice and recommendations of the CCG.  If the IETF Trust, in its reasonable discretion, determines that it is not advisable to accept such advice or recommendation, it will meet and confer with the CCG to explain the IETF Trust’s rationale for desiring to elect a different course of action, and the CCG and the IETF Trust shall in good faith use reasonable best efforts to come to consensus on a resolution.  If the IETF Trust and the CCG are not successful in achieving consensus with respect to the handling of the advice and recommendations of the CCG, the IETF Trust is entitled, without breaching this Agreement, to adopt or implement a position different from such CCG advice or recommendation.  To be clear, this Section 2.3(e) does not supersede the IETF Trust’s obligations to the CCG and the Operational Communities under Section 3.2(d), 3.2(e) or Section 3.2(g).
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> 2.4       CCG Operational Procedures.  The CCG shall adopt, by consensus, its own operational rules and procedures, including requirements relating to voting, quorum, calling of meetings, actions taken by the CCG co-chairs (individually or collectively), action taken outside of meetings and the like, at its first meeting, and shall thereafter revise such rules and procedures as permitted thereby.  Such procedures shall not constitute a part of this Agreement, and compliance with such procedures shall be beyond the scope of this Agreement.  The CCG may invite representatives of the IETF Trust to attend its meetings, but such attendance is not required, or the CCG may request the IETF Trust to appoint a liaison/non-voting ex officio member to the CCG.
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> From: Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> ] 
> Sent: 12 September 2016 07:58
> To: Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com> >; cwg-stewardship at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> 
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> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
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> I did not say that .
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> If you or we have decided that two seats be filled by two co-chairs, I have no problem at all.
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> For the third one ,we need to discuss to see if there is only one self candidate for one seat that tacit élection ruiles apply .If it is more than one and we need to decide.
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> By the way people should not pretend that they do not uinderstand me.
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> Regards
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> 2016-09-12 3:23 GMT+02:00 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com> >:
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>> I don’t understand Kavouss.  Are you suggesting that the Names Community should not fill all three seats on the CCG?
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>> Also, what did I say that conveys my support of anything in my message below?  I simply reported what happened in the meeting and associated it to Seun’s suggestion.
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>> Chuck
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>> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>  [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org> ] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:45 PM
>> To: Jonathan Robinson; cwg-stewardship at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> 
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>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
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>> Jonathan,
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>> I do not understand the argument of Seun that all of the sudden he becomes smeared supporter of Intellectual property.
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>> I do not understand that nor the support of Chuck.
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>> I do not think that we need additional person at all
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>> 2016-09-10 16:51 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info> >:
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>> Seun,
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>> Please note that the drafting of the letter of appointment (as per the action you refer to) does not in any way pre-suppose the names of the actual appointees.
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>> As the call records will show, I put a strawman out for the IANA IPR Group as the initial appointees for the CCG reps; 2 x Co-chairs (of CWG) plus Greg Shatan (as CCG Co-Chair).
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>> Any other suggestions / proposals are clearly very welcome.
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>> From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com> ] 
>> Sent: 10 September 2016 13:51
>> To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> >; Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org> >
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>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
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>> Seun,
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>> Note that it was suggested that Greg Shatan serve as one of the interim CCG members; if we do that, it clearly would satisfy your recommendation that “a third interim member is selected from the intellectual property constituency”.
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>> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>  [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org> ] On Behalf Of Seun Ojedeji
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:46 AM
>> To: Brenda Brewer
>> Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> 
>> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] CCG Reps for names community
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>> Sent from my LG G4
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
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>> On 10 Sep 2016 9:05 a.m., "Brenda Brewer" <brenda.brewer at icann.org <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org> > wrote:
>> > Discussed selection of CCG representatives.
>> > Suggestion that CWG co-chairs act as interim CCG reps until a process is figured out by the chartering organizations.
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>> SO: Like I raised on the call, I think we may be putting too much responsibilities on the Co-Chairs who are volunteers. I expect quite a lot of developmental/setup activity will commence once these various groups are formed, which may imply significant amount of time commitment. I will like to suggest we select other members within the CWG to serve as interim instead. However, whoever we select should include someone from the intellectual property constituency as I think this would be their area of strength. The interims should agree to report to the CWG/COs and make decisions based on their approval.
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>> > ACTION (Client committee): instruct Sidley to draft a letter of appointment of CCG reps.
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>> SO: I left the room during this discussion, does the action above imply that it has been concluded that we use the Co-Chairs? If that is the case, I suggest a third interim member is selected from the intellectual property constituency.
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>> On a much lighter note, i hope it has been clarified that there is no possible conflict in having PTI board members serve as CCG members.
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>> Regards
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>> > IRP will be functional by the time of the tra

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