[Epdp-dt] Team composition - RSSAC omitted

Mon Jul 16 12:36:43 UTC 2018

I don't have any hard feelings about having them or not.

2018-07-16 14:11 UTC+02:00, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<michele at blacknight.com>:
> I’m not opposed
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> https://www.blacknight.com/
> http://blacknight.blog/
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
> From: Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Heather Forrest
> <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday 16 July 2018 at 13:09
> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Cc: "Epdp-dt at icann.org" <Epdp-dt at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Epdp-dt] Team composition - RSSAC omitted
>
> Thanks Ayden.
>
> Michele, answering your question: it was brought to my attention that RSSAC
> was obviously missing from the composition table.
>
> I can confirm with Tripti and Brad that they wish to nominate participants,
> but would like to be in a position to say that spots are available,
> otherwise I'm asking only to say no thank you. Not optimal, and not
> efficient given the time constraints.
>
> I very much appreciate the comments made on this point, but do need to bring
> us to a conclusion before time marches on.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
> Hi Heather,
>
> I don't formally object to their participation; I just don't understand why
> they would want to participate. If they are invited to participate, I hope
> we can make it clear that they are neither required nor expected to send
> anyone. And perhaps it would be better to allocate them only one seat (with
> one alternate)?
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 16 July 2018 1:06 PM, Heather Forrest
> <haforrestesq at gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks, all, for your rapid responses.
>
> Rafik - I note you specifically stated that your point wasn't to be
> understood as an objection. Michele, Ayden, may I check with you both please
> that this is also the case for yourselves? I personally believe that Rafik
> has made an excellent point but I also note that when PDP participation is
> open, we welcome members and observers from throughout the community. We
> have the WG Guidelines as a means of differentiating the PDP from a CCWG
> here and going forward.
>
> All that said, I hesitate to inform the RSSAC unless we're all in agreement
> here that there isn't grounds to object.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Heather
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
> +1 Michele
>
> —Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 16 July 2018 10:47 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>
> I tend to agree with Rafik
>
> I also don’t understand why RSSAC would be interested in this and even if
> they are they’ll get opportunities to provide input via public comment
> periods etc
>
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> https://www.blacknight.com/
> http://blacknight.blog/
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
> From: Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org>>
> on behalf of Rafik Dammak
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> Date: Monday 16 July 2018 at 01:04
> To: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>>
> Cc: "epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>"
> <epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Epdp-dt] Team composition - RSSAC omitted
>
> hi Heather,
>
> while I don't want to object and raise a problem for us as a group but I
> would like to make a point.
> I think we are making a GNSO (E)PDP de facto a CCWG regardless if RSSAC or
> ccNSO appointing representatives and I don't think this is something we
> intended or expect for GNSO PDP. I would like to highlight that we are
> setting a precedent here that will be hard to argue against in future.
>  I can understand for the idea to be inclusive and open the door to other
> SO/AC  since we chose to limit the size and participation but in fact, only
> GAC, SSAC and possibly ALAC expressed interest to join the EPDP and shared
> some of their positions.  I heard arguments about ccNSO as they may bring
> ccTLD operators in EU may bring their own experience(while noticing ccNSO
> didn't appoint any representative to RDS2 RT). I am not sure what RSSAC and
> so Root Server Operators can bring here as I don't think they are dealing
> with whois in any way.
>
> I just wanted to share my thoughts here.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> Le dim. 15 juil. 2018 à 19:31, Heather Forrest
> <haforrestesq at gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>> a écrit :
> Dear DT colleagues,
>
> It has come to my attention that we failed to include the RSSAC in the SO/AC
> allocations on the DT. I have checked with the small group, who have
> confirmed that the RSSAC wasn't discussed there. We mentioned SSAC in the DT
> call last week. This makes me think that the RSSAC's absence on the team
> composition document is an oversight in our intense efforts. Equal treatment
> gives them the same as ALAC, ccNSO and SSAC. I'm putting this out to the DT
> mailing list to check if there are any objections. If so, please raise these
> swiftly, as the RSSAC is already behind in terms of the invite for
> participants and we'll need to notify them ASAP. I'd like to give it 24
> hours to be as efficient as possible here.
>
> Many thanks and best wishes,
>
> Heather
>
> _______________________________________________
> Epdp-dt mailing list
> Epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
------------------------
**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
*Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*

2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
<http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)