[Epdp-dt] Team composition - RSSAC omitted

Mon Jul 16 12:11:46 UTC 2018

I’m not opposed

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From: Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
Date: Monday 16 July 2018 at 13:09
To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
Cc: "Epdp-dt at icann.org" <Epdp-dt at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Epdp-dt] Team composition - RSSAC omitted

Thanks Ayden.

Michele, answering your question: it was brought to my attention that RSSAC was obviously missing from the composition table.

I can confirm with Tripti and Brad that they wish to nominate participants, but would like to be in a position to say that spots are available, otherwise I'm asking only to say no thank you. Not optimal, and not efficient given the time constraints.

I very much appreciate the comments made on this point, but do need to bring us to a conclusion before time marches on.

Best wishes,

Heather

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
Hi Heather,

I don't formally object to their participation; I just don't understand why they would want to participate. If they are invited to participate, I hope we can make it clear that they are neither required nor expected to send anyone. And perhaps it would be better to allocate them only one seat (with one alternate)?

Best wishes, Ayden

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On 16 July 2018 1:06 PM, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks, all, for your rapid responses.

Rafik - I note you specifically stated that your point wasn't to be understood as an objection. Michele, Ayden, may I check with you both please that this is also the case for yourselves? I personally believe that Rafik has made an excellent point but I also note that when PDP participation is open, we welcome members and observers from throughout the community. We have the WG Guidelines as a means of differentiating the PDP from a CCWG here and going forward.

All that said, I hesitate to inform the RSSAC unless we're all in agreement here that there isn't grounds to object.

Best wishes,

Heather

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
+1 Michele

—Ayden

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On 16 July 2018 10:47 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:

I tend to agree with Rafik

I also don’t understand why RSSAC would be interested in this and even if they are they’ll get opportunities to provide input via public comment periods etc

Regards

Michele

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From: Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
Date: Monday 16 July 2018 at 01:04
To: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>>
Cc: "epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>" <epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Epdp-dt] Team composition - RSSAC omitted

hi Heather,

while I don't want to object and raise a problem for us as a group but I would like to make a point.
I think we are making a GNSO (E)PDP de facto a CCWG regardless if RSSAC or ccNSO appointing representatives and I don't think this is something we intended or expect for GNSO PDP. I would like to highlight that we are setting a precedent here that will be hard to argue against in future.
 I can understand for the idea to be inclusive and open the door to other SO/AC  since we chose to limit the size and participation but in fact, only GAC, SSAC and possibly ALAC expressed interest to join the EPDP and shared some of their positions.  I heard arguments about ccNSO as they may bring ccTLD operators in EU may bring their own experience(while noticing ccNSO didn't appoint any representative to RDS2 RT). I am not sure what RSSAC and so Root Server Operators can bring here as I don't think they are dealing with whois in any way.

I just wanted to share my thoughts here.

Best,

Rafik
Le dim. 15 juil. 2018 à 19:31, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>> a écrit :
Dear DT colleagues,

It has come to my attention that we failed to include the RSSAC in the SO/AC allocations on the DT. I have checked with the small group, who have confirmed that the RSSAC wasn't discussed there. We mentioned SSAC in the DT call last week. This makes me think that the RSSAC's absence on the team composition document is an oversight in our intense efforts. Equal treatment gives them the same as ALAC, ccNSO and SSAC. I'm putting this out to the DT mailing list to check if there are any objections. If so, please raise these swiftly, as the RSSAC is already behind in terms of the invite for participants and we'll need to notify them ASAP. I'd like to give it 24 hours to be as efficient as possible here.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Heather

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