[Epdp-dt] Working Methods

Fri Jun 29 15:47:02 UTC 2018

Hi Donna,

Reading is far better than listening, also for the reasons Pam mentionned.

Also for bandwidth purposes, downloading transcripts is easier than
opening an audio file.

Thanks,
Arsene

2018-06-29 15:33 UTC+02:00, philippe.fouquart at orange.com
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com>:
> Agree with Pam, reading is faster and more efficient; and in that regard
> good minutes are even more useful. Not sure that makes a case for
> transcripts for all calls either: my _impression_ is that the average number
> of views per meeting transcript is low, maybe there's data to support or
> prove that wrong.
> Regards,
> Philippe
>
>
>
> -------- Message d'origine --------
> De : Pam Little <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>
> Date : 29/06/2018 14:46 (GMT+01:00)
> À : "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
> Cc : epdp-dt at icann.org
> Objet : Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
> Donna,
>
> I would say reading is easier than listening. Also, native English speakers
> may have different accents and some tend to speak way too fast.
>
> But I am not sure if transcription for every meeting is needed and perhaps
> some cost vs benefit analysis would be useful.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Pam
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sender:Austin, Donna via Epdp-dt <epdp-dt at icann.org>
> Sent at:2018 Jun 29 (Fri) 07:11
> To:Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> Cc:epdp-dt at icann.org <epdp-dt at icann.org>
> Subject:Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
> A question for our multi-lingual colleagues. Are transcripts better/easier
> for non-English speakers to review a meeting than listening to the
> recording?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>
> If the transcription was “cost effective” then I wouldn’t have as much of an
> issue with it, but I’d prefer we had some visibility on costs before we make
> a commitment to it
>
> A lot of calls / meetings have a lot of spurious discussions which aren’t
> adding any value. Of course there is value in the meetings overall, but you
> should be able to get that from the minutes / notes of the meetings
> https://youtu.be/z_tiqlBFjbk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_z-5FtiqlBFjbk&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=vvqDp0M6V7T0SB--m1mrTtrib1LiJ0yd_1kuKrixVWs&e=>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> https://www.blacknight.com/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blacknight.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=4GoSbA0reGcerFxZphEnC1dQKCIHdPldkTeiFxX7fFA&e=>
> http://blacknight.blog/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=DRmsyb0uCS74iam9yMz3ThaRYBc8mQZCGSR89xB8biQ&e=>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Personal blog:
> https://michele.blog/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__michele.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=YkqOfoXTlsEuCPvLLcXTrLiREkiHct-aZhWb5EvCtKM&e=>
> Some thoughts:
> https://ceo.hosting/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=e159ARWweTxJY7yC-i5sBUuUfYKzbmvetN1FFZ23ulA&e=>
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
> From: Carlos Raul Gutierrez
> <carlosraul at gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul at gutierrez.se>>
> Date: Thursday 28 June 2018 at 16:19
> To: "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>"
> <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>,
> "epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>"
> <epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
>
> All cloud services offer now voice to text, and ti takes just a little bit
> of money and a few seconds of ai computational power:
>
>
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-transcribe-scalable-and-accurate-automatic-speech-recognition/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aws.amazon.com_blogs_aws_amazon-2Dtranscribe-2Dscalable-2Dand-2Daccurate-2Dautomatic-2Dspeech-2Drecognition_&d=DwQGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=mq1skb5YZgLsfca_9RuAVvgxt5VX7GyjxAfJXEdkIF0&e=>
>
>
>
> The problem is not the transcription, but the process ICANN (still) uses for
> transcriptions
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
> carlosraul at gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul at gutierrez.se>
> +506 8837 7176
> Aparatado 1571-1000
> COSTA RICA
>
>
>
>
> El 2018-06-28 16:10, Martin Pablo Silva Valent escribió:
> I agree with Ayden that transcript are a useful feature for this kind of
> work at icann. And we already have automated transcript as far as I know, we
> can ask for opinon to staff towards cost, but is not intuitive to me that
> transcripts are not worthy in such a special case. The value for
> transparency and the ability to read debate is also very useful.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Martín
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 19:29 Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
> Ayden
>
> I disagree with the transcription of all meetings. The costs involved with
> that are disproportionately high and ICANN funds would be better directed
> elsewhere
>
> I agree with most of your other points.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> https://www.blacknight.com/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blacknight.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=4GoSbA0reGcerFxZphEnC1dQKCIHdPldkTeiFxX7fFA&e=>
> http://blacknight.blog/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=DRmsyb0uCS74iam9yMz3ThaRYBc8mQZCGSR89xB8biQ&e=>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Personal blog:
> https://michele.blog/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__michele.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=YkqOfoXTlsEuCPvLLcXTrLiREkiHct-aZhWb5EvCtKM&e=>
> Some thoughts:
> https://ceo.hosting/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=e159ARWweTxJY7yC-i5sBUuUfYKzbmvetN1FFZ23ulA&e=>
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
> From: Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org>>
> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> Date: Wednesday 27 June 2018 at 17:34
> To: "epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>"
> <epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>>
> Subject: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to request several revisions be made to the EPDP Working
> Methods please:
>
> 1) All meetings must be recorded and transcribed.
>
> Please revise this text from:
>
> In addition to the standard services provided to GNSO PDP Working Groups
> such as policy staff support, mailing lists and regular conference calls,
> including recording and transcription where needed (frequency and duration
> to be decided by EPDP team), the EPDP team will need appropriate support
> to:
>
> To:
>
> All calls of the EPDP must be recorded and transcribed, and said recordings
> and call transcriptions must be publicly accessible from the ICANN website.
> Standard support offered to GNSO PDP Working Groups, including but not
> limited to the provision of a wiki space, archived mailing lists, and
> conference call facilities, will be required. In addition, the EPDP will
> need appropriate support to:
>
> 2) Google Docs may only be used in conjunction with Google Vault.
>
> Please revise the text from:
>
> the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to
> facilitate online collaboration, such as the wiki and Google docs.
>
> To:
>
> the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to
> facilitate online collaboration, but it must do so in accordance with the
> principles of accountability and transparency that are so important to the
> GNSO. If Google Docs or other G Suite products are used, it must be used in
> conjunction with Google Vault, which logs data for archival purposes.
> Similarly, if other tools are used, they may be used only if they preserve
> information to a level that meets or exceeds eDiscovery standards in
> California, being the location of ICANN's headquarters.
>
> 3) Translation of executive summary and recommendations of the initial
> report for public comment, and of the entire final report, into ICANN's
> official languages.
>
> Suggested text:
>
> The substantive work of the EPDP must be translated into ICANN's official
> languages in order to provide non-English-fluent stakeholders with an equal
> level of access to review the work of the EPDP. For the initial report(s),
> this must consist of the executive summary and recommendations, and for the
> final report, this must be a translation of the entire report.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ayden Férdeline
> _______________________________________________
> Epdp-dt mailing list
> Epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_epdp-2Ddt&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=NcAFBsM3QosMQBljp1z92iaJHH5KK4oskW3NvlC2MAs&e=>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Epdp-dt mailing list
> Epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_epdp-2Ddt&d=DwMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=NcAFBsM3QosMQBljp1z92iaJHH5KK4oskW3NvlC2MAs&e=>
> _______________________________________________
> Epdp-dt mailing list
> Epdp-dt at icann.org<mailto:Epdp-dt at icann.org>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_epdp-2Ddt&d=DwICAg&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=n3C0DJgkQIyr0HoJHZTeIN36Y0AO0HE-eO2cj94PCdo&s=NcAFBsM3QosMQBljp1z92iaJHH5KK4oskW3NvlC2MAs&e=
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations
> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu
> ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages
> electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou
> falsifie. Merci.
>
> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged
> information that may be protected by law;
> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and
> delete this message and its attachments.
> As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been
> modified, changed or falsified.
> Thank you.
>
>

-- 
------------------------
**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
*Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*

2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
<http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)