[Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Materials for 12 Sept PP IRT Meeting

Mon Sep 11 11:58:20 UTC 2017

I hope that ICANN will reconsider this issue.

For affiliated providers, ICANN is proposing to charge another 
registrar-level ICANN fee for absolutely no extra work, since most of 
the requirements were modeled on the privacy proxy spec to the RAA. As 
previously discussed, affiliate provider accreditation should be linked 
to the registrar accreditation at no additional cost.

But this does not end here, as the fees for non-affiliated providers are 
also way out of proportion. You are essentially pricing smaller 
providers out of the ability to provide the service at reasonable cost. 
Many providers are offering this service as part of the overall domain 
registration fee and are eating the costs of the service. Free whois 
privacy - standard in many parts of the world - would become an 
untenable business proposal.

If this is what ICANN is really planning to do, I am afraid that we will 
not achieve consensus for the implementation work. Anything beyond a 
nominal one-time fee is unacceptable.

With the accreditation program ICANN is already increasing the costs to 
providers by adding new costly requirements that need to be fulfilled 
for a service that is usually a loss-leader, not a profit center. Adding 
another accreditation fee justified only by the removal of the ability 
to do business as usual with their partnered registrar smells like 
mafia-style pressure to me: "If you want to be able to continue to offer 
your customers this service, you better pay the protection mon...err 
accreditation fee!", just with the difference that the mafia actually 
offers some form of protection, whereas ICANN offers...what?

The entire concept of an application window is also ill-considered as it 
basically locks out current providers that may have missed the notice or 
the fact that this policy actually applies to them. Providers will have 
to have the ability to apply close to instantly and at any time.

The application process is overly complicated and bureaucratic. You 
should only be asking two questions: a) are you a legally established 
company in your country of residence and b) self-certify that you are 
able to comply with the requirements of this policy.   Everything beyond 
that is superfluous and overdesigned considering the nature of the 
service being provided.

Please withdraw this proposal and come back with something more 
acceptable. We have set out to create better rules for an existing 
service/product, not to regulate it out of existence.

Or better yet, provide us with your document in editable from and we'll 
change it for you.

Best regards,
Volker

Am 11.09.2017 um 13:29 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>
> Amy
>
> Thanks for sharing this.
>
> I have several concerns.
>
> Firstly the fees that are being proposed.
>
> I cannot understand why or how ICANN can justify charging $4k / year 
> for this to a provider.
>
> From our perspective this makes zero sense, as there is no value being 
> provided by ICANN and the cost is very high – you’re essentially 
> doubling how much I pay ICANN per year.
>
> Background screening – this seems to be complete overkill for an 
> “affiliated” provider.
>
> In our case for example ICANN is going to be dealing with the same 
> person you’ve always dealt with.
>
> If you insist on subjecting us to this kind of scrutiny I don’t mind, 
> but I just see it as being a waste of resources.
>
> 6.5 – I thought there was no clear agreement on different labelling of 
> whois privacy in whois?
>
> 8.3 – where on earth did that come from?
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
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> *From: *<gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Amy 
> Bivins <amy.bivins at icann.org>
> *Reply-To: *"gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl at icann.org" 
> <gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl at icann.org>
> *Date: *Friday 8 September 2017 at 14:55
> *To: *"gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl at icann.org" <gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Materials for 12 Sept PP IRT Meeting
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Our next Privacy/Proxy IRT meeting is scheduled for this upcoming 
> Tuesday, 12 September at 1400 UTC. I hope you all can make it.
>
> On this call, I will walk you through the updated Applicant Guide, and 
> then there will be time for Q&A and your feedback on the document. The 
> most significant changes you’ll note in this discussion draft v2 is a 
> proposed streamlining of the application for providers that are 
> affiliated with an ICANN-accredited registrar, privacy/proxy provider 
> (not applicable in the initial application window), or a gTLD registry 
> operator. We’ve also added a fees proposal.
>
> Please review prior to our meeting, and we look forward to discussing 
> on Tuesday. Please share any feedback you have prior to our call on-list.
>
> Have a great weekend!
>
> Amy
>
> *Amy E. Bivins*
>
> Registrar Services and Engagement Senior Manager
>
> Registrar Services and Industry Relations
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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> Direct: +1 (202) 249-7551
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> Fax:  +1 (202) 789-0104
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> Email: amy.bivins at icann.org <mailto:amy.bivins at icann.org>
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