[Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - proposed response to Göran Marby

Mueller, Milton L milton at gatech.edu
Wed May 8 20:47:31 UTC 2019

I agree with Matt here.

While I understand the motivation, the TSG itself was always a rather poorly conceived effort to jump the gun on the issues related to disclosure of redacted Whois data. We were told that its only purpose was to assess technical feasibility and make our work go faster, but in fact it opened up a parallel process raising all kinds of questions about how our work intersects with it. Now we seem to be compounding the problem.  Let’s put a stop to it and get things in order before pushing out into yet another problematic direction.

And thanks to Matt also for reminding us that the board has some serious work to do regarding phase 1

Dr. Milton L Mueller
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Public Policy

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - proposed response to Göran Marby

Hi Hadia and team,

I agree from Goran’s letter the mandate of the small team is clear…what isn’t quite clear is how that mandate fits into the overall work plan for the broader group and how these two efforts ultimately will merge.

Personally speaking I am very concered that before we have really started our Phase 2 work at all, we are already looking to break off a certain group to work with ICANN on a critically important piece of the puzzle to our success.

And let’s not forget our old friend Phase 1 which, to date, has not been approved by the Board and even when it is will still need to be implemented.


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Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - proposed response to Göran Marby


The mandate of the small team  is quite clear, and that is to work on  helping inform the discussions with the EC and the data protection authorities in relation to a UAM, based on the model proposed by the TSG and the extent to which such a solution diminishes the legal liability of the contracted parties.
So certainly, the role of the small team is not to observe the work of ICANN org and report it back, If this was the purpose, someone from ICANN org could have taken on the role.

Generally speaking the expected output of the whole EPDP team is a scenario that satisfies the above and is accepted by the EC and the data protection authorities. A solution that respects the privacy rights, allows lawful access to third parties with legitimate interests and diminishes the contracted parties legal liabilities.

Kind Regards

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] For your review - proposed response to Göran Marby

+1 to this.



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On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:22 PM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:

Should we maybe add a line that any input from such a small group would only be tentative and subject to confirmation by the whole group? We are at the start of the work here and I have strong reservation of delegating a core part of our work to a small team without even having first outlined the position of the entire group.

It seems to be too soon for this.

If on the other hand the only purpose of the small group is to observe the work of ICANN org and report back to the EPDP to inform our deliberations, that would be more acceptable.


Am 04.05.2019 um 14:12 schrieb Marika Konings:
Dear EPDP Team,

On behalf of Janis, per the action item from our last meeting, please find attached the proposed response to Göran in relation to this letter (see https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/marby-to-karklins-drazek-01may19-en.pdf).

Please share any comments you may have by Wednesday 8 May at the latest.

Best regards,

Caitlin, Berry and Marika

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