[gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
Kathy Kleiman
kathy at dnrc.tech
Sat Jun 10 01:04:42 UTC 2023
Melissa, I would hope that you would open the session and lay out your
sense of "how we got here." You've been a great facilitator and I think
you it would be fair to give you the floor here.
Jeff, I think we should all have an equal role, as participants, later
in the discussions. Let's start on neutral footing.
Best, Kathy
On 6/9/2023 4:53 PM, Melissa Peters Allgood wrote:
>
> Speaking on behalf of staff, we welcome you taking the lead on this
> session. The Draft Framework is your work product, not ours. We are
> just trying to find a way forward based on your feedback.
>
> Currently the session structure looks like this:
>
> 1. Intro to the Dialogue (how we got here)
> 2. Introduction of participants
> 3. Explanation of the process
> 4. High-level introduction to the Draft Framework
> 1. This will be presented in 3 blocks and is an opportunity for
> multiple participants to take the lead.
> 5. Floor open to participants for statements/comments
> 6. Community Q&A and discussion. Staff is available to manage the
> queue, but this is otherwise a community discussion space.
>
> Staff is working on slides for points 1-4. Anyone who wishes to take
> the lead on any of these points, please let us know and we can support
> your preparation.
>
> Does this work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Melissa
>
> *From: *gnso-gac-closed-generics
> <gnso-gac-closed-generics-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> "jeff at jjnsolutions.com" <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
> *Reply-To: *"jeff at jjnsolutions.com" <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
> *Date: *Friday, June 9, 2023 at 4:37 PM
> *To: *"Greg Shatan [NARALO]" <gregshatanalac at gmail.com>,
> "jorge.cancio at bakom.admin.ch" <jorge.cancio at bakom.admin.ch>
> *Cc: *"gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org"
> <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> If I +1 to Nigel, am I really +1'ing myself ;)
>
> Yes, we should all have roles to play in this discussion. We want to
> make it clear that the work was ours and that although ICANN staff is
> helping us out tremendously and we couldnt do it without them, we need
> to show the community that we did the work.
>
> Happy to help out however I can.
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> From "Greg Shatan [NARALO]" <gregshatanalac at gmail.com>
>
> To jorge.cancio at bakom.admin.ch
>
> Cc gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org
>
> Date 6/9/2023 4:27:15 PM
>
> Subject Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> I agree as well and spoke too quickly before. If the Staff does
> all the talking and we just sit there looking beautiful, it would
> be rather odd.
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 14:32 Jorge.Cancio--- via
> gnso-gac-closed-generics <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org> wrote:
>
> +1 to Nigel 👍🏼
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Nigel Hickson via gnso-gac-closed-generics
> <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>
> Datum: 8. Juni 2023 um 20:24:43 MESZ
> An: Merritt, Jason (ISED/ISDE) <Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca>
> Cc: gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org
> <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for
> Closed Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> Good evening
>
> Thanks so much Melissa for your mail and for Mary's
> constructive input.
>
> I agree with Jaosn; it would be really excellent to at least
> hear from the Board during the Monday meeting (though respect
> of course not a formal view) and of course are esteemed Org
> colleagues.
>
> On the Session process, I would join with Jeff in perhaps
> proposing that after an introduction to the Framework by Org
> (not least on some background to issue) that we all (as
> participants) be given the opportunity to say a few words; I
> think it would look odd if we just sat there.
>
> best
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Merritt, Jason (ISED/ISDE)
> <Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca<mailto:Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca>>
> wrote:
> My personal view is I’m okay with the proposed structure of
> the sessions, including staff presenting “on behalf” of the
> community groups.
>
> I support a communication or both Org and the Board making
> them aware of the open sessions and inviting their views
> (whether that’s comments or views after the comments are in).
>
> Looking forward to catching up!
>
>
> Jason Merritt
>
> Sr Policy Advisor, Telecommunications and Internet Policy Branch
> Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada /
> Government of Canada
> Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca<mailto:Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca>
> / Tel: 343-571-9775 / TTY: 1-866-694-8389
>
> Conseiller(ère) princ. en politiques, Direction generale des
> politiques de telecommunications et d'Internet
> Innovation, Sciences et Développement économique Canada /
> Gouvernement du Canada
> Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca<mailto:Jason.Merritt at ised-isde.gc.ca>
> / Tél. : 343-571-9775 / ATS : 1-866-694-8389
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Greg Shatan [NARALO]
> <gregshatanalac at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanalac at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I support a communication to both ICANN Org and the Board
> inviting them to our ICANN77 sessions and requesting their
> presence, participation and input, and for the same
> afterwards. I'm not sure (technically) whether either would
> participate in the comment period vs. providing their views
> after the comments are in. It would be helpful to find out
> from staff how Org and Board will be engaged going forward
> (beyond the extremely valuable participation from Alan B. and
> Patricio).
>
> Personally, I'm most interested in the reaction of the GAC. In
> many ways, I view a major goal of our work as responding to
> the Beijing Communique (albeit, indirectly) in order to avoid
> another response from the GAC that says in essence that Closed
> Generics are still not "ready for prime time."
>
> It doesn't bother me at all that Staff would distribute this.
> Perhaps it can/will be phrased as being "on behalf of the
> GAC-GNSO-ALAC Facilitated Dialogue on Closed Generic
> gTLDs."
>
> I have no reason to believe that ICANN Org would not support
> this type of framework and be able to implement it (or more
> accurately, the output from the PDP group). By "support" do
> you mean "agree with" or do you mean "facilitate and provide
> resources for"?
>
> I don't see anything that Org could not implement. With some
> optimism, I also don't see anything Org could not support. If
> there are pieces that need improvement, hopefully we will hear
> about them from Board, Org, community and others.
>
> See you in a few days!
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:49 AM
> jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
> <jeff at jjnsolutions.com<mailto:jeff at jjnsolutions.com>> wrote:
> Does it seem odd to anyone in this group that the framework is
> being presented by ICANN staff. Does that send the right
> message that this was a facilitated dialog amongst community
> members.
>
> Also, I know this is a late question, but are we even sure
> that ICANN Org would support this type of framework and be
> able to implement it?
>
> On that note, I would like to specifically make an ask to GDD
> staff that they specifically respond during the public comment
> period with their concerns or support or both. We have
> learned that staff providing input AFTER the policies are
> developed is too late for any meaningful changes, and we do
> not want to repeat the unnecessary delays of having to have an
> ODP after all the work is done.
>
> So, I am specifically proposing a note to both ICANN Org and
> the Board asking for their input during this meeting and
> during the brief comment period!
>
> Who is with me on that?
>
>
> <xthj5fjh.png>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From "Melissa Peters Allgood"
> <melissa.allgood at icann.org<mailto:melissa.allgood at icann.org>>
> To
> "gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>"
> <gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org<mailto:gnso-gac-closed-generics at icann.org>>
> Date 6/8/2023 9:16:06 AM
> Subject [gnso-gac-closed-generics] Draft Framework for Closed
> Generic gTLD & ICANN77 Sessions
>
> Hello all,
>
> Congratulations on a job well done! You have worked hard to
> reach this point, a compromise draft framework ready for
> community for feedback. Your dedication to this project is a
> testament to the multistakholder model.
>
> Just a few points for your review following yesterday’s call.
>
> Draft Framework
> Attached is the Draft Framework for Closed Generic gTLDs. This
> document will be shared with the community at 21:00 UTC today,
> 8 June. Please note, all meeting notes taken pursuant to
> Chatham House rules are found via link in Annex 2, as well as
> on the public wiki page for this group.
>
> ICANN77 Session Planning
> Based on your feedback (albeit brief) on our call, we propose
> the following session structure for ICANN77:
>
> Section 1: Presentation of information – Staff
>
> * Introduction to the Dialogue
> * Introduction to the Process, Commitments & Participants
> * Introduction to the Framework
>
>
> Section 2: Discussion and community questions – Participants
>
> Question: Do you wish to run the same structure at both
> sessions or do you prefer two different sessions plans? If you
> select the latter, please elaborate.
>
>
> Many thanks and heartfelt congratulations!
> Melissa
>
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