[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Fri Jan 12 19:45:24 UTC 2018

Hi Mike,

I fully documented who supported/opposed the anonymous poll on page 2
(Section D) of yesterday's PDF:

http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-January/001035.html
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/attachments/20180111/c89edbb8/igo-appeal-section37-20180111-final-0001.pdf

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike at rodenbaugh.com> wrote:
> Agreed this is ridiculous.  Does anyone except Petter and Phil support an
> anonymous poll of this WG?  I don't recall seeing any other support for it,
> so I am flabbergasted by their extraordinary efforts to force one on the WG.
>
> Mike Rodenbaugh
> RODENBAUGH LAW
> tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087
> http://rodenbaugh.com
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> Respectfully, this bickering must stop and we need to focus on resolution.
>>
>> The underlying dispute was the objection to the use of an anonymous poll.
>> The main objection (at least from my understanding) was the anonymous part
>> which leads to inaccuracies and potential abuse.
>>
>> What was supposed to be a constructive attempt to resolve the dispute
>> informally became embroiled in procedural objections.   Instead of making an
>> effort to resolve conflict by listening to the objections involved in the
>> appeal, the substantive discussion was aborted so a “record” could be
>> created.
>>
>> The result was a continued delay of the matter.
>>
>> Of course this also means that the WG CONTINUES TO BE STALLED.  Why the
>> process must be stalled because of the insistence to use anonymous polling
>> is rather confusing to me.  It would appear that time is better spent
>> actually moving forward and seeking to determine consensus in an open and
>> transparent manner.
>>
>> As said, my 2 cents.
>>
>> Paul Keating
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 18:17, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-igo-ingo-crp
>> <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org> wrote:
>>
>> The call transcript can be found at
>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/79429635/transcript%20Discussion%20George%E2%80%99s%20appeal%20under%20section%203%207%20GNSO%20WG%20guidelines%20%2011%20Jan%202018.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1515769818000&api=v2
>>
>> For the record, I disagree with George's characterization that he was
>> "interrupted immediately".
>>
>> What occurred was that George submitted a 12-page document with 28
>> footnotes that arrived by email just 76 minutes prior to the start of the
>> call. I had no opportunity to read much less consider its content prior to
>> the call.
>>
>> When the call commenced I asked for mutual agreement that, given the
>> length of the document and the fact that it arrived without advance notice,
>> the co-chairs be accorded the courtesy of being given a few days after
>> conclusion of the call to fully consider its contents and to respond in
>> writing if they wished to do so. I expected this request to be
>> noncontroversial but it proved otherwise.
>>
>> Philip S. Corwin
>> Policy Counsel
>> VeriSign, Inc.
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>>
>> "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] On
>> Behalf Of George Kirikos
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 AM
>> To: gnso-igo-ingo-. <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the
>> IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> The archive of yesterday's call, to appeal the use of anonymous polling
>> within this working group has been posted by ICANN. Notice how my
>> presentation was interrupted immediately, and then we got completely bogged
>> down by process issues. Another call is scheduled for next week.
>>
>> https://community.icann.org/display/...+Working+Group
>>
>> [The best link to use is the "AC Recording" (shows the chatroom, and
>> audio, as well as ability to jump back/forth using the controls at the
>> bottom).]
>>
>> Have a nice weekend!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George Kirikos
>> 416-588-0269
>> http://www.leap.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:43 AM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>> In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis
>>
>> of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as
>>
>> previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> George Kirikos
>>
>> 416-588-0269
>>
>> http://www.leap.com/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11
>>
>> January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes.
>>
>> (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was
>>
>> sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to
>>
>> attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the
>>
>> relevant passcode/invite and call-in details.
>>
>>
>> Have a nice weekend!
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> George Kirikos
>>
>> 416-588-0269
>>
>> http://www.leap.com/
>>
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