[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
Paul Keating
Paul at law.es
Sun Jan 14 16:25:00 UTC 2018
I agree with you. Would you be willing to drop your request that the
polling be anonymous?
Or at least share with us why you think it should be?
Paul Keating
From: "David W. Maher" <dmaher at pir.org>
Date: Friday, January 12, 2018 at 9:22 PM
To: Mike Rodenbaugh <mike at rodenbaugh.com>
Cc: Paul Keating <paul at law.es>, "gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org"
<gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
Subject: RE: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
> I think the group is wasting time arguing about procedure
>
> David W. Maher
> Public Interest Registry
> Senior Vice-President Law & Policy
> +1 312 375 4849
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> From: Mike Rodenbaugh [mailto:mike at rodenbaugh.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 2:13 PM
> To: David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org>
> Cc: Paul Keating <paul at law.es>; gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
> Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> Always good to hear from you. Can you explain why, briefly?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Rodenbaugh
>
> RODENBAUGH LAW
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> tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087
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> http://rodenbaugh.com
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>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:00 PM, David W. Maher <dmaher at pir.org> wrote:
>>
>> I support the use of an anonymous poll.
>> David W. Maher
>> Public Interest Registry
>> Senior Vice-President Law & Policy
>> +1 312 375 4849 <tel:(312)%20375-4849>
>>
>> From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 1:40 PM
>> To: Paul Keating <paul at law.es>
>> Cc: gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO
>> Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
>>
>>
>> Agreed this is ridiculous. Does anyone except Petter and Phil support an
>> anonymous poll of this WG? I don't recall seeing any other support for it,
>> so I am flabbergasted by their extraordinary efforts to force one on the WG.
>>
>>
>> Mike Rodenbaugh
>>
>> RODENBAUGH LAW
>>
>> tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 <tel:(415)%20738-8087>
>>
>> http://rodenbaugh.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully, this bickering must stop and we need to focus on resolution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The underlying dispute was the objection to the use of an anonymous poll.
>>> The main objection (at least from my understanding) was the anonymous part
>>> which leads to inaccuracies and potential abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What was supposed to be a constructive attempt to resolve the dispute
>>> informally became embroiled in procedural objections. Instead of making an
>>> effort to resolve conflict by listening to the objections involved in the
>>> appeal, the substantive discussion was aborted so a ³record² could be
>>> created.
>>>
>>> The result was a continued delay of the matter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course this also means that the WG CONTINUES TO BE STALLED. Why the
>>> process must be stalled because of the insistence to use anonymous polling
>>> is rather confusing to me. It would appear that time is better spent
>>> actually moving forward and seeking to determine consensus in an open and
>>> transparent manner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As said, my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Keating
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 18:17, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-igo-ingo-crp
>>> <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The call transcript can be found at
>>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/79429635/transcript%20Disc
>>>> ussion%20George%E2%80%99s%20appeal%20under%20section%203%207%20GNSO%20WG%20
>>>> guidelines%20%2011%20Jan%202018.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=151576981800
>>>> 0&api=v2
>>>>
>>>> For the record, I disagree with George's characterization that he was
>>>> "interrupted immediately".
>>>>
>>>> What occurred was that George submitted a 12-page document with 28
>>>> footnotes that arrived by email just 76 minutes prior to the start of the
>>>> call. I had no opportunity to read much less consider its content prior to
>>>> the call.
>>>>
>>>> When the call commenced I asked for mutual agreement that, given the length
>>>> of the document and the fact that it arrived without advance notice, the
>>>> co-chairs be accorded the courtesy of being given a few days after
>>>> conclusion of the call to fully consider its contents and to respond in
>>>> writing if they wished to do so. I expected this request to be
>>>> noncontroversial but it proved otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Philip S. Corwin
>>>> Policy Counsel
>>>> VeriSign, Inc.
>>>> 12061 Bluemont Way
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>>>> mail&source=g>
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>>>> 571-342-7489 <tel:(571)%20342-7489> /Cell
>>>>
>>>> "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of George Kirikos
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 AM
>>>> To: gnso-igo-ingo-. <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
>>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the
>>>> IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> The archive of yesterday's call, to appeal the use of anonymous polling
>>>> within this working group has been posted by ICANN. Notice how my
>>>> presentation was interrupted immediately, and then we got completely bogged
>>>> down by process issues. Another call is scheduled for next week.
>>>>
>>>> https://community.icann.org/display/...+Working+Group
>>>>
>>>> [The best link to use is the "AC Recording" (shows the chatroom, and audio,
>>>> as well as ability to jump back/forth using the controls at the bottom).]
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice weekend!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> George Kirikos
>>>> 416-588-0269 <tel:(416)%20588-0269>
>>>> http://www.leap.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:43 AM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis
>>>>> of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as
>>>>> previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> George Kirikos
>>>>> 416-588-0269 <tel:(416)%20588-0269>
>>>>> http://www.leap.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11
>>>>>> January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes.
>>>>>> (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was
>>>>>> sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to
>>>>>> attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the
>>>>>> relevant passcode/invite and call-in details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a nice weekend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Kirikos
>>>>>> 416-588-0269 <tel:(416)%20588-0269>
>>>>>> http://www.leap.com/
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