[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?

Corwin, Philip pcorwin at verisign.com
Wed Jan 24 23:20:25 UTC 2018 

Permanent protections for INGOs is completely outside the scope of our Charter, especially since it was amended to remove CRP for INGOs.

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On Jan 24, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>> wrote:

 ...and of course I meant:

"also want to remind you all that when it comes to the identification of IGO’s for the IRT Principles..."

I don't see a need for our WG to work with identification of INGO's, and for IGO's we have already our own suggestion.

Best,
Petter

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24 januari 2018 22:28:51 +01:00, skrev Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>>:
Thanks, Mary for that follow up.

I read the question and topic more as to get an updated information on what ECOSOC does in order to keep the list updated (for use by ICANN, etc), and how often that is made even without any specified inputs from INGO’s. As this is more as a practical question on the ongoing and decided procedure, I am happy to check that out and return to you with information – if not Mary has those details already and easy to find.

I also want to remind you all that when it comes to the identification of INGO’s for the IRT Principles, I have pointed out at an early stage for the Team that the reference to the GAC list shall not be considered as a guidance also for our WG, as we have at an early stage found that when it comes to domain name disputes, IGO’s need to be identified in a more internationally legally accepted way.

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24 januari 2018 18:52:38 +01:00, skrev Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>:

Hello everyone,



Please be aware that the GNSO PDP recommendation was very clear, and it was approved both by the GNSO Council (in November 2013) and the Board (in April 2014). The PDP Working Group had specifically stated that, for INGOs (other than the Red Cross and the International Olympic Committee), the applicable names are those INGOs either in General Consultative or Special Consultative status with ECOSOC). You may also wish to note that second level protections for these INGO names are limited to a 90-days claims notification period (i.e. similar to the Trademark Claims service).



Even though the Implementation Review Team (IRT) for the PDP (on which Petter is participating) is still in operation, the IRT Principles that were adopted by the GNSO Council in 2016 provide that IRTs “should not be used as a tool to reopen a previously explored policy issue …. unless circumstances have changed and/or new information is available”.



At this stage, to reopen the issue for additional policy discussion will mean that a request needs to be made to the GNSO Council.



I hope this is helpful.



Cheers

Mary



From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com<mailto:gpmgroup at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?




Petter,

This is basic stuff, even without George’s comments, I’m amazed no one picked it up, but with George taking the time to comment it’s unbelievable!

How can the IRT team get this fixed? Does it need to go back to the GNSO?



Best regards,



Paul





On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>> wrote:

Hi again,



We (the IRT)  have a meeting at the Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt tomorrow.



If there is a specific question regarding the INGO identifier list you would like me to raise, please let me know.



Best,

Petter



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24 januari 2018 14:09:56 +01:00, skrev Jay Chapman <jay at digimedia.com<mailto:jay at digimedia.com>>:

+1 Paul



Sincerely,

Jay Chapman

On Jan 24, 2018 5:41 AM, "Paul Tattersfield" <gpmgroup at gmail.com<mailto:gpmgroup at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you Mary for confirming the history, that is helpful.



I think it shows the dangers of ICANN building policy based on the principle of relying on third party lists especially ones subject to regular revision over time.



Gong (2011)

Karp (2012)

Mosaic (2013)

Witness (2013)

Rare (2015)

Restored (2016)



I think it also demonstrates how bad policy can evolve out of trying to create quick fix solutions only perceived as necessary as a result of other unrelated flawed approaches.



Not good – someone should have been on top of this.



Best regards,





Paul.



On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>> wrote:

Hello Paul and everyone,



The list of INGOs is that of the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and the GNSO PDP recommendation was to use the ECOSOC list. As such, it is not up to ICANN to make changes to that list; additions, modifications and deletions are determined under the applicable UN rules for organizations obtaining or maintaining recognition (e.g. general or consultative status) with ECOSOC. The staff understanding is that any updates needing to be made to the ICANN list as a result of changes to the ECOSOC list will be handled through the UN’s Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA).



Cheers

Mary



From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com<mailto:gpmgroup at gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?



Is the recently published INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?
https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved-names/ingo-identifier-list.xml[http://icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_sites_default_files_packages_reserved-2Dnames_ingo-2Didentifier-2Dlist.xml&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=ZHelugwDlnz3X92N6KrDyyvuK2Rzt6IFt7uLvTr9ZM4&s=Nhzg0poKNZr6aRnDjt917fA-WZ0KJ58OTvEXOmsXMuk&e=>

A cursory look shows names like





gong

karp

mosaic

rare

restored

witness



Gong is an acronym for Gradani organizirano nadgledaju glasan

Karp is an acronym for The Korean Association of Retired Persons

Moisaic is a branding for More Mosaic NGO & Mosaic International NGO

Including rare, restored & witness doesn't sit well with the principal of coexistence.



Best regards,





Paul.





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