[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?

Thu Jan 25 11:34:18 UTC 2018

I think sometimes it’s helpful to look at the bigger picture and see the
complexities and consequences that arise when those building a framework
ignore fundamental principles and to try and understand how such failings
can be avoided in the future. I think it is also helpful to understand what
is involved with correcting any failings during the implementation stage.

If all of our outcome recommendations do no harm rather than tilting the
balance between competing interests then removing INGOs from the charter
may have been an error as it limits any good we can do to a far smaller
number of interested parties.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Corwin, Philip via Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <
gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org> wrote:

> Permanent protections for INGOs is completely outside the scope of our
> Charter, especially since it was amended to remove CRP for INGOs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 24, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Petter Rindforth <
> petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu> wrote:
>
>  ...and of course I meant:
>
> "also want to remind you all that when it comes to the identification of
> *IGO*’s for the IRT Principles..."
>
> I don't see a need for our WG to work with identification of INGO's, and
> for *IGO's *we have already our own suggestion.
>
> Best,
> Petter
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> 24 januari 2018 22:28:51 +01:00, skrev Petter Rindforth <
> petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>:
>
> Thanks, Mary for that follow up.
>
> I read the question and topic more as to get an updated information on
> what ECOSOC does in order to keep the list updated (for use by ICANN, etc),
> and how often that is made even without any specified inputs from INGO’s.
> As this is more as a practical question on the ongoing and decided
> procedure, I am happy to check that out and return to you with information
> – if not Mary has those details already and easy to find.
>
> I also want to remind you all that when it comes to the identification of
> INGO’s for the IRT Principles, I have pointed out at an early stage for the
> Team that the reference to the GAC list shall not be considered as a
> guidance also for our WG, as we have at an early stage found that when it
> comes to domain name disputes, IGO’s need to be identified in a more
> internationally legally accepted way.
>
> Best,
> Petter
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> 24 januari 2018 18:52:38 +01:00, skrev Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> Please be aware that the GNSO PDP recommendation was very clear, and it
> was approved both by the GNSO Council (in November 2013) and the Board (in
> April 2014). The PDP Working Group had specifically stated that, for INGOs
> (other than the Red Cross and the International Olympic Committee), the
> applicable names are those INGOs either in General Consultative or Special
> Consultative status with ECOSOC). You may also wish to note that second
> level protections for these INGO names are limited to a 90-days claims
> notification period (i.e. similar to the Trademark Claims service).
>
>
>
> Even though the Implementation Review Team (IRT) for the PDP (on which
> Petter is participating) is still in operation, the IRT Principles that
> were adopted by the GNSO Council in 2016 provide that IRTs “should not be
> used as a tool to reopen a previously explored policy issue …. unless
> circumstances have changed and/or new information is available”.
>
>
>
> At this stage, to reopen the issue for additional policy discussion will
> mean that a request needs to be made to the GNSO Council.
>
>
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> *From: *Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf
> of Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 07:01
> *To: *"petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>
> *Cc: *"gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to
> revisions?
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>
>
>
> Petter,
>
> This is basic stuff, even without George’s comments, I’m amazed no one
> picked it up, but with George taking the time to comment it’s unbelievable!
>
> How can the IRT team get this fixed? Does it need to go back to the GNSO?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Petter Rindforth <
> petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu> wrote:
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> Hi again,
>
>
>
> We (the IRT)  have a meeting at the Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt tomorrow.
>
>
>
> If there is a specific question regarding the INGO identifier list you
> would like me to raise, please let me know.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Petter
>
>
>
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> 24 januari 2018 14:09:56 +01:00, skrev Jay Chapman <jay at digimedia.com>:
>
> +1 Paul
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jay Chapman
>
> On Jan 24, 2018 5:41 AM, "Paul Tattersfield" <gpmgroup at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Mary for confirming the history, that is helpful.
>
>
>
> I think it shows the dangers of ICANN building policy based on the
> principle of relying on third party lists especially ones subject to
> regular revision over time.
>
>
>
> Gong (2011)
>
> Karp (2012)
>
> Mosaic (2013)
>
> Witness (2013)
>
> Rare (2015)
>
> Restored (2016)
>
>
>
> I think it also demonstrates how bad policy can evolve out of trying to
> create quick fix solutions only perceived as necessary as a result of other
> unrelated flawed approaches.
>
>
>
> Not good – someone should have been on top of this.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Paul and everyone,
>
>
>
> The list of INGOs is that of the United Nations Economic and Social
> Council (ECOSOC), and the GNSO PDP recommendation was to use the ECOSOC
> list. As such, it is not up to ICANN to make changes to that list;
> additions, modifications and deletions are determined under the applicable
> UN rules for organizations obtaining or maintaining recognition (e.g.
> general or consultative status) with ECOSOC. The staff understanding is
> that any updates needing to be made to the ICANN list as a result of
> changes to the ECOSOC list will be handled through the UN’s Department of
> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA).
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> *From: *Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf
> of Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 14:03
> *To: *"gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to
> revisions?
>
>
>
> Is the recently published INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?
> https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved-names/ingo-
> identifier-list.xml[http://icann.org]
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> A cursory look shows names like
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> gong
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> karp
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> mosaic
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> rare
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> restored
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> witness
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> Gong is an acronym for Gradani organizirano nadgledaju glasan
>
> Karp is an acronym for The Korean Association of Retired Persons
>
> Moisaic is a branding for More Mosaic NGO & Mosaic International NGO
>
> Including rare, restored & witness doesn't sit well with the principal of
> coexistence.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul.
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