[Gnso-igo-ingo] [gnso-secs] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC

Mon Jul 3 23:46:29 UTC 2017

Chuck & Greg -

Thanks for correcting the historical record.

I probably should point out that my opening comments were intended to lay out the potential paths of the reconvened Section 16 PDP working group, without presuming or precluding any particular outcome. I sincerely apologize if this statement created any confusion.

Thank you,

J.

On Jul 3, 2017, 17:33 -0500, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>, wrote:
Chuck,

That is consistent with my recollection as well, at least with regard to the "Red Cross names" coming up (too) late in the process.

When (if) it comes to dealing with the IGO acronyms, the "did we get it right" paradigm would apply, but not here -- it's more a matter of not having reasoned it out at all, due to the timing issue.

Greg

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:16 PM Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org<mailto:nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Chuck,

So sorry to read there were issues with the recordings. We’re looking into this and will update the list shortly.

Kind regards,

Nathalie

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Subject: Re: [gnso-secs] [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC

It took me quite a while but I finally attempted to play the Adobe recording for this meeting.  It seemed to work properly for 10 minutes but I encountered problems after that.  The voice recording stopped until I moved that marker forward and nothing showed on the screen.  I gave up and tried the MP3 but it recorded two people talking at the same time with one person’s voice (James first, Mary later, etc.) being dominant.  The MP3 cleared up at the very end of the call.

At the beginning of the call, James made the observation that one of the things we could do is decide that the WG didn’t get it right (with regard to the Red Cross national names and two international red cross names along with limited variants of those names).    In my recollection of what happened, it was not a matter of getting it right or wrong with regard to those names.  Here is what I remember:

  *   The additional names were not introduced for consideration until after the group had already made considerable progress and was working toward final recommendations.
  *   It was decided to not delay our momentum so we never really deliberated fully on the additional names.
  *   In my opinion, if the additional names were introduced earlier in the process, the outcome could have been very different.

It could very well be that my memory is faulty and I welcome those who were part of the original WG to correct me, including Thomas as chair.

Understanding that it was very difficult to listen to the recording and therefore may have missed key points that were made on the call, I would like to suggest that I personally think that our task could be fairly easy.  Here is why I think that:

  1.  One of the essential principles that was applied in the New gTLD PDP was to base recommendations on objective standards such as international treaties.
  2.  I do not believe that the national names and the two international names are covered by international treaties in the same way that the names that were approved are, but I do believe that they are at least consistent with the principles behind the international treaties for red cross names so I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch to add the new names.
  3.  Another key principle is that names should not create confusion.
  4.  In my personal opinion, the additional names would not create confusion.
  5.  If I am correct, then it might not be unreasonable to add the additional names to the approved policy.

I definitely think we as a reconvened WG (including new members) should due our due diligence in considering the above, but If my memory and analysis has merit, then we possibly could finish our work in relatively short order.

Please let me know where I am incorrect.

Chuck

PS – regarding my difficulties listening to the Adobe and MP3 recordings I would appreciate knowing whether it is a general problem for all or just unique to my system.

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC

I apologize for missing this meeting. For some reason the meeting request was corrupted, indicating that the meeting was moved.  I will listen to the recording.

Chuck

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Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC

Dear all,

Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names held on 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC.

Mp3:  https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-pdp-14jun17-en.mp3[audio.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Digo-2Dingo-2Dpdp-2D14jun17-2Den.mp3&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=h36O5TPPNn_UP_DAS_Y6SUvhhdxXU_yNgijBJi8EjsM&e=>

AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p39bvnr2rpw/

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=1W2oL17_xS8uDQJkfgW_LWBkD_AlJ63H37-I80ido5Y&e=>

Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/

Agenda Wiki page:   https://community.icann.org/x/l0fwAw[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=hCrOu0bNjqQAIikgGktQ2b02EMuB0vH5ZIy-KIHR6bo&e=>

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Michelle

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Adobe Connect chat transcript for 14 June 2017
  Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the First meeting of the reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 18:00 UTC.
  Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uqqjn3HCYulbrAmPx13NUbi-DNOehtFzQblz0J5Pbr0&s=IPeG5FVB8aDNI2lnCS81-Q22pSBgJvuyUnryrhU3jzY&e=
  Donna Austin, Neustar:what's another couple of minutes on top of three years?
  James Bladel:Staff notes that Thomas is dialing in to the brdige.
  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all
  avri doria:here we are again, nothing to be done about it.
  James Bladel:was that Michelle? Can't hear.
  James Bladel:?
  Mary Wong:Is that better?
  Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thank you!
  Thomas Rickert, Chair:Hi all, sorry I had technical difficulties getting in.
  Thomas Rickert, Chair:The motion that was adopted by the GNSO Council way back when was and I guess still is the longest motion in our history.
  avri doria:so, were we to just accept what they want we would be done?  anyone?
  Mary Wong:We can upload the text of Recommendation 5 as well as the Red Cross Minority Statement about these National Society names, if that will be helpful.
  avri doria:i am not necessarly suggesting it, just defining one possible outcome.
  Osvaldo Novoa:I would support this, I was opposed to the protection of the acronyms, not the full names.
  James Bladel:I think we may have covered most of Agenda #4.
  avri doria:is it correct to  also assume this group gates the end of the Subsequent Procedures PDP?
  avri doria:i would assume it is like asking to have an exam regraded, one can lose what they had - especially any interim decsions made by the board (were there any?)
  Mary Wong:@Avri, the Red Cross names and acronyms are currently reserved as an interim measure - so once the Board acts on the GNSO recommendations (whether to approve or otherwise) the interim protections will go away, and the final Board approval will govern.
  avri doria:So, Mary, we could bring a decsion differnt from the Board's interim decsion and remove those names fro the reservation list.
  avri doria:agan, not recommending, just looking for the boundary conditions.
  avri doria:does our procedure require a round of "constituency/sg/SOAC comments" on the issues?
  Mary Wong:Note that following the WG's consultation, the proposal still has to be published for public comment before the Council takes a final vote.
  Mary Wong:@Avri, not expressly - but doesn't mean the WG or the Council can't call for these.
  James Bladel::)
  Mary Wong:We note that the Red Cross' Minority Statement (now on screen) mentions protection under international and domestic laws, and specifically highlights the adjectives in a National Society name.
  avri doria:how often we meeting?
  Osvaldo Novoa:Ok
  Stéphane Hankins:Is there any intention  for this to be in any way discussed in Johannesburg?
  James Bladel:Correct.
  James Bladel::)
  Donna Austin, Neustar:Thank you to everyone for making yourselves available.
  avri doria:bye
  Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you and see you in Joahnnesburg
  James Bladel:Thanks, Thomas & Staff.  And thanks everyone for coming back in to service after such a long break!

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