[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] France seizes France.com from man who’s had it since ‘94, so he sues - Ars Technica

Tue May 1 09:20:45 UTC 2018

it is a difficult one to sort out as we will always never get it right. Unless we find something that tally or resolves the issue. The way i am seeing it we need a solution else we will still keep turning around without a way forward. I kept giving these discussions a thought. 

.france or anything else. We know there are cities, states (Countries), companies or else. This is just a suggestion since we are focussed on geonames. How about we include something like for city “ ct.france” or state/country “st.france” something like this. I know unfortunately it won’t be just .france but sublevel it so that we can ensure a way forward. 

This is just a thought. The issue i see is perhaps some geonames may be problematic in time for example .london there are cities around the world with london in ontario canada as much as london in texas, usa and of course london, UK. In this case how about for city “ uk.london, us.london” etc., am not sure it solves the issues we face but we still need to look at the prospects of the business that runs underneath. Limitation is good but we should also perhaps look further down the line in anticipation. 

Just some thoughts. 

Kris

> On May 1, 2018, at 10:15, Annebeth Lange <annebeth.lange at norid.no> wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg
> 
> Thanks for your response. I am sorry that I was unclear. For me second level is totally different from first level, as there are so many possibilities today to have a name, be it geographical or purely generic, at second level, since there are so many TLDs now, after 2012. And it will be impossible for one «word» to register under all TLDs.
> 
> As there will be only one applicant that can have the same word at first level, as TLD, in my view france.com <http://france.com/> and .france are different. 
> 
> Kindly
> Annebeth
> 
> 
> Annebeth B Lange
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> 30. apr. 2018 kl. 19:36 skrev Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>:
> 
>> I’m well aware of the scope of the WG.  However, we don’t operate in a vacuum, and this case is both relevant and instructive — in terms of issues and arguments and for outcomes.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:24 PM Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>> It is also a reminder of  the level of bullying that some governments are capable of doing in this space and their disregard for the legitimate rights of others to use words in the DNS.  This is a serious concern -- to see such little regard for the freedom of expression rights to use words with a geographic meaning.  Absent an actual internationally agreed legal rule that holds people can’t use the word “France” or other words with geographic meanings, it would be a huge mistake for ICANN to adopt such an anti-innovation and pro-censorship position in domain name policy as demanded by some govts here.
>> 
>> Robin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 3:36 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great, lets keep it limited. But thanks Greg for reminding us where we can end up..   some  supported two-letter second level domain names that correspond to cctlds to go to governments and  cctld managers in new gtlds. Some of those were generic pronouns like in and it. But no one had mercy on generic names and no justifiable reason was given other than oh governments own everything when it comes to their cctld... or at least can claim ownership. The irony? Some of those cctld managers are actually private companies benefiting handsomely from this. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Farzaneh
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul at gutierrez.se <mailto:carlosraul at gutierrez.se>> wrote:
>>> Thanks Greg!
>>> 
>>> Very interesting but I'm afraid our scope is limited to the top level.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On April 29, 2018 1:31:59 PM CST, Javier Rua <javrua at gmail.com <mailto:javrua at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Thanks Greg.
>>> 
>>> Javier Rúa-Jovet
>>> 
>>> +1-787-396-6511
>>> twitter: @javrua
>>> skype: javier.rua1
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua <https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I thought this article would be of interest to WT5.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg
>>>> 
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>>>> From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:37 PM
>>>> Subject: France seizes France.com <http://france.com/> from man who’s had it since ‘94, so he sues - Ars Technica
>>>> To: <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
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>>>> France seizes France.com <http://france.com/> from man who’s had it since ‘94, so he sues - Ars Technica
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