[Gnso-newgtld-wg] [gnso-secs] Re: Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group 29 February 2016
Marilia Maciel
mariliamaciel at gmail.com
Sat Mar 5 17:07:51 UTC 2016
Wonderful, thank you Terri.
Best wishes,
Marília
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> wrote:
> Hi Marilia,
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> The slides have been added to the agenda wiki page:
> https://community.icann.org/x/IxmAAw
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> Kind regards,
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> Terri
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> *From:* owner-gnso-secs at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-secs at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Marilia Maciel
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2016 10:12 AM
> *To:* Michelle DeSmyter <michelle.desmyter at icann.org>
> *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org; gnso-secs at icann.org
> *Subject:* [gnso-secs] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat
> New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group 29 February 2016
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> Thank you, Michelle. Could we have access to the slides presented by staff
> with the proposed workflow of the group? That would be very helpful.
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> Thanks and best regards,
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> Marília
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> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Michelle DeSmyter via Gnso-newgtld-wg <
> gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org> wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3
> recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call
> held on Monday, 29 February 2016 at 16:00 UTC.
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> MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-29feb16-en.mp3
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> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
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> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
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> Kind regards,
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> Michelle DeSmyter
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> *Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 29 February 2016*
>
> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group
> call held on Monday, 29 February 2016
>
> Terri Agnew:If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial
> into the audio bridge and give the operator the password NEW gTLD, OR click
> on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your AC mics.
> Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking
>
> CarlosAlberto:Terry, Good evening
>
> CarlosAlberto:Terri
>
> Ayden Férdeline:Hello everyone
>
> Christopher Niemi:Hello
>
> Steve Coates (Twitter):Steve, do we have a passcode for audio?
>
> Steve Chan:@steve NEW GTLD
>
> Steve Coates (Twitter):Awesome. Thx!
>
> Harold Arcos:Hello all, hope all have a good day
>
> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):audio??
>
> Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone
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> Vanda Scartezini:yes
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> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):ok
>
> Julie Hedlund:Loud and clear Jeff
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> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):we have audio
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> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):txs
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> Vanda Scartezini:ok
>
> Greg Shatan:Hello, all.
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> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Jeff, are you able to read chats but do not write
> chats ?
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Hi All
>
> Mary Wong:@TwitterSteve - hey!
>
> Greg Shatan:I guess "Twit" would not be appropriate....
>
> Vanda Scartezini:adobe today was falling all the time
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> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):not too hard please
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> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):my adobe just got disconnected for a few
> seconds too
>
> Khaled Koubaa:Hi everyone
>
> Stefania Milan:Hi everyone, apologies for the delay in joining.
>
> Steve Chan:WG Membership page:
> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001978
>
> Grace Mutung'u:hi everyone. May I please record Judy Okite's apologies?
> She is indisposed
>
> Michelle DeSmyter:Yes, thank you Grace - I will note her apology
>
> Robin Gross:Good morning!
>
> Richard Padilla:Afternoon everyone
>
> Grace Mutung'u:Thanks Michelle
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> Phil Buckingham:good afternoon
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> Michelle DeSmyter:You are quite welcome!
>
> Ayden Férdeline:yes we can Steve
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> Avri Doria:so the leadership is old timer, mid timer and new timer.
>
> Steve Chan:I think I need a better nickname
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> Kiran Malancharuvil:Sorry to be late.
>
> Donna Austin, Neustar:@Steve, we could just call you Stevie
>
> Steve Chan:@Donna ...
>
> Avri Doria:i think we all see chairing as a service role.
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> Khaled Koubaa:Thanks LTeam:)
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> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Yes @avri I think we all expect the Chairing per se
> to be neutral in manner
>
> Steve Coates (Twitter):@Donna. I love it.
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> Steve Chan:22:00 UTC
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> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:0300 evry secnd call * Far* friendlier than most GNO
> calls !!!
>
> Khaled Koubaa:on schedule : fair enough
>
> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):one hour calls?
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> David Ackerman:which time on the 21st, 16:00 or 22:00?
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> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):1 hour and 1/2, thank you
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:I hope 2200 :-)
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> David Ackerman:yes 22:00 in the notes
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> Julie Hedlund:@Cheryl: Yes, 2200 UTC as the rotation on 21 March
>
> liz williasm:do we have a draft work program already that we can comment
> on? And also the linkages between other work?
>
> Ayden Férdeline:forgive me, "DG" is an acronym for...?
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> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Discussion Group
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> Ayden Férdeline:thank you
>
> Karen Bernstein:Sorry I'm late. I was thrown off by the e-mail that was
> sent in the middle of the night that said the meeting time was rescheduled.
>
> Mary Wong:@Ayden, the Discussion Group was formed by the GNSO COuncil
> before this PDP to scope out the issues, resulting in the categories and
> lists that are in our Working Group Charter and that Steve C is going
> through now.
>
> liz williasm:Is it proposed to split out the questions to small groups
> AFTER deciding yes (or no!) to the first question? If yes, then those work
> streams are relatively easy to examine and provide recommendations to the
> main group.
>
> Ayden Férdeline:thank you for this background, Mary
>
> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Liz, yes the plan is to work on the
> "Foundational" questions as a larger group and then breaking down into
> subteams afterwards
>
> Julie Mowers - Amazon 2:My apologies, I have to drop early as I had a
> conflict I was unable to move.
>
> Robin Gross:What if the answer to Q.1 is "No"? Is it within the scope
> of this group to "fix" existing new gtld procuedures (the things we got
> wrong last time)?
>
> liz williasm:OK -- that reflects the previous 2005 PDP and that Q1 can
> likely be answered by email and acclamation...If there is no, then we can
> stop. Doubt that is the case but we can easily do a quick poll.
>
> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):My apologies as well, as I will ahve to leave
> at the top of the hour as I had sheduled only 60 minutes today. Will be
> prepared for a longer call in 3 weeks.
>
> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Robin...I will address that in a few minutes,
> but good question
>
> Robin Gross:ok - thanks!
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Robin, my interpretation is if Q.1 answer is "No",
> we just end the WG saying that new rounds should follow the same procedures
> as 2012-round.
>
> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):@Steve + the Nielsen and Analysis studies
>
> liz williasm:@Ruben & Robin...then you would assume that we would have
> a lot of analysis and reports about what to do better from the 2012
> round. In my view, that piece of work should be done anyway
>
> Khaled Koubaa:@Robin : I expect that the obvious answer will be yes :)
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:ALAC is involved in Many of the listed initiatived
> and work Steve
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> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:@Khaled, even ICANN staff revisionist historians
> seem to think that something should be changed...
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> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:I serve for eg on CWG ON CTN as TLDs
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> liz williasm:@ Steve we really must have a GAC liaison
> immediately...many of the issues that arose in the 2000, 2004 and 2012
> rounds were directly related to out of sync GAC interventions.
>
> Vanda Scartezini:looks good the organization.
>
> Alan Greenberg 2:We have also just revived our work in conjunction with
> the GAC on requirements for sensitive gTLDs (thoise identified in the GAC
> Beijing Communique as Category 1, Safeguards 1-8.
>
> Khaled Koubaa:+1 to @Liz comment on GAC
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> Alan Greenberg 2:Strongly support Liz. In fact, we need more active
> participation from GAC people.
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:@Liz, due to the way GAC makes decisions, it's
> always hard for them to appoint liaisons. Not impossible, we should try,
> but we can't count on it.
>
> Alan Greenberg 2:That will be the only way to avoid what happened last
> time.
>
> Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Liz. I ahve been in GAC in the past and believe
> this is relevant indeed.
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> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Agree @Liz GAC Liaison is going to be a key
>
> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):The GAC has a formal procedure for
> participating in PDPs....
>
> Vanda Scartezini:i certainly can help with this
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> liz williasm:@Rubens...it is never impossible to do greater
> communication and consultation, even if it is not
> binding/advisory...Communication at all times is absolutely key...and there
> is no reason for the GAC/GNSO nexus to not evolve and develop...it is
> critical.
>
> Khaled Koubaa:@Steve : it would be good if you can circulate the 2007
> Rinal Report to the wider group so new comers can find their ways and
> refresh
>
> Jon Nevett:Coordinate with Mason as liaison?
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:perfecr Jeff masn should be able to ahndle that just
> fine
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:sorry re typos (ty
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:typing in the dark at 0330 here in AU ;-)
>
> Susan Payne - Valideus:@Alan, agree but it is very difficult to get the
> GAC to actually participate - in the country and territory names WG they
> just do not show up
>
> Richard Padilla:Can barely hear Avri
>
> Ayden Férdeline:please can you speak louder
>
> Alan Greenberg:@Susan, yes, difficult. the alternative, having lived
> through it before, is scary.
>
> Mary Wong:@Avri, thank you - yes, there is a Quick look Mechanism that
> has been developed by the GAC-GNSO Consultation Group.
>
> Mary Wong:Which involves early notification of the GAC of new GNSO PDPs.
>
> Steve Chan:@Khaled - you can find background material, including the
> 2007 Final Report, here:
> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001980
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:yes @Mary which is why asking Mason th sort
> things is essential
>
> Khaled Koubaa:@Steve : thanks ( I was not talking about myself :) )
>
> Vanda Scartezini:if GAC does not agree then MAson will make the one way
> task to tell then which way we are going...
>
> liz williasm:@ Jeff ... I can do that 2007 overview if you like? I was
> the lead staff person on the PDP at the time....
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:AGB departs from GNSO Policy in very significant
> ways... AGB looks more like a starting point for me.
>
> liz williasm:@jeff...forget that...i can support Avri if she needs it.
>
> Avri Doria:AGB is not policy though.
>
> Robin Gross:One thing we should look at is where the AGB differs from
> approved policy
>
> Avri Doria:and was developed befor the GNSO had a notion of
> implementation teams.
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:"Code is Law" ; even though it was about running
> software code, this seems to fit policy implementation.
>
> Avri Doria:the is also post AGB implementation that needs to be
> considered.
>
> liz williasm:@ Robin that is a monumental task and one which must be
> done...there are so many examples that are critical but it could easily be
> done in a table.
>
> Mary Wong:On the question of GAC members in this Working Group - there
> are several observers who identify as from the GAC. From the members' list,
> currently only Tom Dale - GAC Secretariat - is listed. Tom presumably
> follows the Group's discussions and reports to the GAC in his capacity as
> Secretariat lead for them (especially since neither he nor indeed any GAC
> member can represent the GAC formally or offiicially).
>
> Steve Chan:
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm
>
> Julie Hedlund:@Jeff: Here is the link and I'll include it in the notes:
> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001980
>
> Phil Buckingham:+ 1 Robin + 1 Liz yes table format
>
> Julie Hedlund:All - the link Steve Chan sent is the better one.
>
> Robin Gross:Some of the principles were not implemented the first time
> (like the principle about free expression)
>
> Steve Coates (Twitter):@Robin, I think we have an opportunity to add
> that to the agenda
>
> Phil Buckingham:Co chairs - do we have a target date for completion ?
>
> Robin Gross:Great, Steve!
>
> Khaled Koubaa:Agree totally with Avri point
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:There is also the possibility that we might prefer
> to follow the actual implementation due to keeping things more homogenous,
> which is a scale requirement. So we might have to document the new policies
> matching 2012 implementation, if we believe it's better to keep those,
> instead of the 2007 policies.
>
> liz williasm:@Alan the implication costs are significant and must not
> be underestimated. there were direct and absolute additional costs for
> many applicants which were unacceptable.
>
> Jon Nevett:Do we want to do a survey of the 2012 applicants?
>
> Robin Gross:yes, let's survey the applicants.
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:It's usually bad luck to establish dates, as they
> are more prone to slip through.
>
> liz williasm:@Jon yes...a good idea so that we can quantify the impact
> on applicants. I wold volunteer to derive the survey questions and collate
> the data.
>
> Christa Taylor:+1 to survey - it would be great insight
>
> Khaled Koubaa:Well surve may be one of tools. Other tolls may be
> discussed as well.
>
> Mary Wong:To follow on Avri's last point, another new development in the
> GNSO is the use of Implementation Review Teams, comprising community
> members (volunteers) working with ICANN staff (primarily operational staff
> from the Global Domains Division and others) to try to ensure that
> implementation matches the intent of the GNSO policy. This was recently
> recommended (by the Policy & Implementation Working Group) to be mandatory
> for all PDPs going forward, save for exceptional circumstances.
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Excellent @Liz
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:People who commented on gTLD applications might
> have interesting feedback as well.
>
> Vanda Scartezini:sorry my connection dropped..
>
> CarlosAlberto:+1 for survey
>
> liz williasm:I volunteer to come up with a set of questions for
> applicants. Anyone else want to help with that datagathering task, let me
> know.
>
> Nathaniel Edwards:Objecters from the last round should participate in
> any survey
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:agree @Nathaniel
>
> Phil Buckingham:+1 Jon great idea
>
> Karen Bernstein:+1
>
> liz williasm:what time is the Marrakech meeting time?
>
> Steve Chan:@Jeff, meeting time: Next meeting is in Marrakech on 10
> March at 0900 to 1030 UTC
>
> Steve Chan:Actually, Next meeting is in Marrakech on 10 March at 0900 to
> 1030 local time
>
> Mary Wong:More details and remote participation details will be posted
> here:
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule/thu-new-gtld-subsequent-procedures
>
> Khaled Koubaa:I may be have not seen it. Do we have the agenda of
> Marrakech meeting ?
>
> Khaled Koubaa:Thanks
>
> Stefania Milan:could the ppt presentation be shared somehow?
>
> CHERYL Langdon-Orr:thanks everyone... bye for now... Talk soon and see
> some of you in Marrakech
>
> Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):ok! we made it in 1 hour!!!! safe travels to
> everybody traveling.
>
> Khaled Koubaa:Safe travel everyone
>
> Vanda Scartezini:thank you all. going well.. see you in MArrakech
>
> Denise Michel:thanks. byes
>
> Sara Bockey:Thank you all. Safe travels!
>
> Vanda Scartezini:safe trip to all
>
> Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone and see you soon!
>
> Christa Taylor:Thanks!
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Safe travels!
>
> Susan Payne - Valideus:great, thanks
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> CarlosAlberto:Thank you all
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> Christopher Niemi:Thank you
>
> Karen Bernstein:Safe travels!
>
> Frederic Guillemaut:thank you all bye
>
> Ayden Férdeline:I look forward to meeting everyone in Marrakech. Safe
> travels to all
>
> Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Bye!
>
> Robin Gross:Thanks all- bye!
>
> CarlosAlberto:bye
>
> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Thanks1
>
> Harold Arcos:Thanks all,,,good trip,,
>
> Richard Padilla:thanks bye
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> Yoshi Murakami(JPRS):Thank you
>
> Greg Shatan:Bye all!
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> Grace Mutung'u:thanks
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> Robert Burlingame:Thank you everyone!
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> Steve Chan:Thanks everyone
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