[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory Reveal in Context of Allegations that a Domain Name is Infringing Trademark
David Cake
dave at difference.com.au
Wed Oct 29 06:57:58 UTC 2014
On 29 Oct 2014, at 3:38 am, Valeriya Sherman <VSherman at sgbdc.com> wrote:
> Phil,
>
> With respect to Reveal in the context of allegations that a domain name is infringing, we advocate Disclosure (to the Requestor only) of information sufficient to help the Requestor determine if further action against the Customer is warranted. This is especially important in the context of IP rights enforcement.
Allegations are not proof. If the domain name itself is regarded as possibly infringing, we have the UDRP and URS to determine it a domain name is actually infringing.
> Disclosure of the Customer's identity would help the Requestor determine, before having to file a URS or UDRP, whether or not the Customer:
Sure. But being helpful to the Requestor is not, by itself, sufficient to justify disclosure.
> -has legitimate rights in the domain name;
> -is a cybersquatter;
These are the exact questions the UDRP/URS are designed to answer. Wanting to know the answers to them before filing is putting the cart before the horse somewhat.
> -is stockpiling domain names, without adding any website content; or
The UDRP ultimately should succeed or fail based on the use of the domain in question, not what the registrant does with their other domains.
And as Michele notes, website content is not the only use for domain names.
( eg I have a few friends who have used the adorably geeky rcpt.to domain for email only for over a decade now).
Also, if the domain owner is actively using sub-domains of their domain, it may not necessarily be obvious to the requester.
> -has prior UDRP decisions against him or her.
Again, sure, helpful to know before filing your UDRP, but is helpful to potential filers sufficient to overrule the obvious desire of the registrant for privacy?
A desire to disassociate particular domains used for specific purposes from their general domaining business may even be the reason for using a PPP.
> All of the foregoing indicate bad faith registration and use of the domain name.
Your first two criteria are decisions that the UDRP/URS will rule on. Your second two criteria might indicate a general pattern of bad behaviour by the registrant, but do not mean that an individual domain is part of that pattern of behaviour.
> As Paul pointed out on today's call, the Requestor must be able to ascertain this information before it is obliged undergo the time and expense of bringing a UDRP or other legal proceeding.
I do not think this follows at all. There is a big difference between the requestor would like to, and the Requestor must be able to.
I absolutely think that the Requestor should be able to use relay to request relevant information from the registrant. If the registrant wants to reply to a relayed request asserting their legitimate right to the domain, good. But it is not obvious to me that disclosure is necessary, and I can think of many cases in which it might be problematic.
> In that way, it can possibly avoid the need for a UDRP. And if it has to bring a UDRP, it can do so in good faith. That is why Disclosure is valuable in cases involving infringing domain names, not just infringing website content.
>
> To address another point that has come up in the past, Disclosure does not equate to a finding of guilt. Disclosure is not a remedy of the UDRP or the URS; it would occur before a case is decided on the merits.
Of course - but avoiding disclosure is, presumably, often a major reason for retaining a PPP in the first place, so we should not let it happen just because it would be beneficial to the requestor.
Regards
David
> It is my understanding that once a UDRP is filed, one or both of the following generally happens: 1) registrar receives a request for information to confirm registrant, which it then sends to the Complainant to amend the Complaint; or 2) the P/P Provider named in the complaint discloses or publishes the information. So under the status quo, there generally is a Reveal before a decision on the merits, but only after the Requestor is forced to file a complaint, without essential information, at a high cost. As you correctly observed, not all allegations are successful -- we don't want to encourage more with a policy that requires premature legal actions.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Val
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> Valeriya Sherman
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> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] on behalf of Volker Greimann [vgreimann at key-systems.net]
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> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Mandatory Reveal in Context of Allegations that a Domain Name is Infringing Trademark
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I agree that a mere allegation is never enough for any form of required result. The bar needs to be set a lot higher, such as a sworn statement that includes legal consequences in case any part of it is incorrect that would allow the injured party and the provider to sue the pants off of the complainant.
>
> Also, the violation must be clear and obvious to an untrained third party observer, which is usually not the case in trademark violation due to the fact that trademark law is simply too complex for a layman to understand. And frankly, there also is no need for an immediate reveal as there are, as you point out, already sufficient means to deal with such cases.
>
> As for content, that is a hosting issue outside the realm of ICANN. Go to the hosting provider instead. Infringing content has nothing to do with the domain name whatsoever.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 28.10.2014 17:30, schrieb Phil Corwin:
>> I want to reiterate the concerns I raised during today's call about recommending a policy that would require a privacy/proxy provider (PPP) to reveal/disclose a registrant's identity and contact information based on a mere allegation that the domain name is infringing a trademark.
>>
>> ICANN has established the URDP and URS to deal with such allegations. And every day WIPO, NAF, and other providers deny complainant allegations. In fact, it appears that instances of attempted reverse domain hijacking are on the rise.
>>
>> A registrant who is targeted in a UDRP or URS has a choice of responding (in which case they will be revealing their identity) or to default and let the provider decide the allegation based solely upon the complaint. The proposed policy would compel disclosure of registrant data even when no UDRP, URS, or trademark infringement litigation was filed, or even if the allegation was subsequently found to fail to meet the required burden of proof.
>>
>> I am not convinced by arguments that such mandatory disclosure might facilitate resolution absent the filing of arbitration or litigation. That can be accomplished by requiring the PPP to relay a cease-and-desist letter or other communication to the registrant. Mandatory disclosure based on an unproven allegation does not further the claimed goal.
>>
>> Summing up, I believe that our WG should not create any new policy related to allegations of TM infringement by a domain name but should leave this issue to the new gTLD RPM and UDRP review that will be commencing next spring.
>>
>> As for allegations of trademark infringement based upon a website's content that is a separate matter. However, I believe our discussions should recognize that PPPs are unlikely to weigh the merits of an allegation and that their likely default position will be to reveal registrant data once a complaint addresses all the relevant points required by any new policy on this subject. Given that likelihood, we should certainly consider the extent to which such a policy might be abused by a private sector or governmental actor.
>>
>> Thank you for taking these views into account.
>>
>> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
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