[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Accredited proxy providers vs unaccredited proxy providers

Mon Nov 16 21:02:57 UTC 2015

I think we would still need that language for clarity.

From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2015 at 9:47 AM
To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Accredited proxy providers vs unaccredited proxy providers

Interesting idea that we should explore further.
One question that pops into mind is what this does to the RAA requirement of registrars not to knowingly accept registrations from a non-accredited proxy service once the program is in place. While we would be treating unaccredited services as the owner for all intents and purposes, they are not, not really anyway. They just do not get any of the protections an accredited service is entitled to. It would therefore follow that this RAA requirement is no longer needed and could go as there then would only be three options of who the registrant could be:

1) The real registrant (without proxy enabled)
2) An unaccredited proxy service, treated as 1)
3) The underlying registrant of an accredited service.

Best,

Volker

Am 16.11.2015 um 18:34 schrieb Susan Kawaguchi:
Hello All,

I have given more thought about  the discussion concerning  accredited proxy vendors versus all other unaccredited proxy vendors, including lawyers.   It seems to me that we are never going to be able to capture each variation of the unaccredited proxy vendor and James brought up a point that I think we should consider.

If accredited proxy vendors adhere to all the requirements we are describing they will have the benefit of not being considered the registrant of the domain name.

Any other type of unaccredited proxy service should simply not exist and they should always be considered the registrant with all the rights and liabilities that go along with being the registrant.  We simply would not recognize any other existing relationship.

We could make this very clear Accredited proxy or registrant and not delve into all the grey areas.

The unaccredited proxy provider would be considered the Registrant in all actions including the URS and UDRP.

I am hoping we can discuss further on the call tomorrow.

Best,

Susan Kawaguchi
Facebook, Inc.

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