[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue

Wed Nov 18 13:10:38 UTC 2015

Sorry for the delayed reply.  We needed to consult with a few others.

In answer to Steve's question ("Could you clarify whether the 60-day lock provision is part of the IRTP as a consensus policy, or part of the implementation of that policy?"), the lock was included in the policy recommendations of IRTP WG C, which were adopted by the Council and Board.  There was no mention of privacy or proxy services in that part of the recommendation.  So our implementation of the IRTP C recommendations was done "to the letter" of the recommendation, so to speak.  I.e., no exception was made for privacy and proxy services.

We don't believe the PPSAI working group is necessarily precluded from addressing questions about how the to-be-created type of PP registrations interact with the Transfer Policy just because the Transfer Policy is an existing policy.  PPSAI charter question B-3 (here: https://community.icann.org/x/ihLRAg) spoke to having the WG "[c]larify how transfers, renewals, and PEDNR policies should apply."

With regard to the point James made, during implementation of the IRTP C recommendations, we talked a good bit about how a proxy (or the beneficial customer) could disable a proxy or privacy service in a world where consent of the other party would now be required in order to make the change in Whois.  The solution to that question was to allow use of "designated agents" (see https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en#II at 1.1.2) to approve Changes of Registrant.  I don't believe the matter of exempting PP registrations from the 60 day lock was raised by the IRT or in public comment, although I do recall occasionally that people would reference the work of this WG as potentially being necessary to addressing interaction with accredited PP service registrations and the Transfer Policy.

Hope that helps.

Mike Zupke
Director, Registrar Services
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers

From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:12 AM
To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue

Agree, and I thought this was also the final determination of the IRTP-C Implementation Review Team.  It came up several times...

Thanks-

J.

From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 4:22
To: PPSAI WG <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue

In all honesty, a removal of an accredited privacy service should not trigger the transfer lock as it does not imply an owner change. I am therefore in favor of option 2)

Best,

Volker
Am 17.11.2015 um 19:01 schrieb Amy Bivins:
Dear PPSAI WG Members:

Here is the issue you asked staff to address by email today.  This came to our attention after reflecting on the work done Friday by the "implementation issues" sub-team.

In short, disabling a proxy or privacy service will trigger the 60-day inter-registrar transfer lock required by IRTP C (which takes effect on 1 August 2016, https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en ). Although applicable generally, this issue is of particular concern following de-accreditation of a privacy or proxy service (if transfer to another registrar is required to maintain privacy).

Here are 3 things the WG could consider doing to address this:
1. Maintain the status quo and leave the 60-day IRTP C lock in place.
2. Create an exception for Privacy and Proxy Service customers, so the 60 day IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock doesn't apply when/if the customer changes or removes the PP service.
3. Create an exception for PP users only if a PP service is de-accredited, so the IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock can be lifted by the beneficial user if the registrar has been notified of de-accreditation.

Please let us know if you'd like to us to provide any further background.

Thank you!

Amy E. Bivins
Registrar Policy Services Manager
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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