[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDS PDP WG Leadership
karnika
karnika at sethassociates.com
Thu Jan 28 08:47:43 UTC 2016
Dear Marika, Stephanie Perrin and Chuck,
Thankyou for clarifying the position.
Warm regards
Karnika Seth
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[mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Perrin
Sent: 27 January 2016 21:45
To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDS PDP WG Leadership
AS someone who is a relative newcomer to ICANN (February 2013) who has
participated in quite a few working groups and the EWG, I would like to add
that it takes quite a while to understand the community, the processes, and
the history at ICANN. I arrived as an "independent expert" with quite a bit
of experience in chairing various multi-stakeholder activities, but I would
in all humility suggest that chairing or co-chairing an initiative such as
this requires a set of skills best gained through experience with ICANN and
its processes. Yes we need particular expertise, and that is why the call
for participation has been so broad.
When I use the word independent, I mean that I have no client that is paying
me to participate, nor an employer that has an interest in my participation.
I think it might be useful in this regard if persons who use that word
explain what they mean by it, because it is not clear to me that we have a
common understanding of our usage of the term. I also note that some
individuals have identified as non-commercial in their SOIs, and may not be
aware that we have a group called the NCUC (Non-commercial users
constituency) and if they are not members, they might want to use another
term. Please refer to our website www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org> . We
also have a stakeholder group called the NCSG, or non-commercial stakeholder
group, same applies.
Kind regards
Stephanie Perrin
On 2016-01-27 9:49, Marika Konings wrote:
Dear Karnika,
Thank you for your feedback - it may be helpful to re-emphasize that
participation in this Working Group happens on an equal footing for all
participants, regardless of whether or not you are affiliated with a GNSO
Stakeholder Group (SG) or Constituency (C) or another ICANN Supporting
Organisation (SO) or Advisory Committee (AC), or no affiliation at all. What
has been discussed by the WG is whether it would be beneficial to have
representation from GNSO Stakeholder Groups in the WG leadership team as
eventually the WG recommendations will need to be considered by the GNSO
Council which is composed of representatives of those Stakeholder Groups and
as such it may ensure that particular sensitivities or concerns are dealt
with appropriately by the WG before the recommendations are finalised for
submission.
In their applications, WG members were asked to indicate their affiliation
(i.e. if you are a member of a GNSO SG/C or SO/AC). For those not affiliated
or not wanting to be affiliated, those have been identified as individuals.
There is no such category as 'independent experts' although the WG at some
point may identify a need to identify, approach and consult independent
experts if it is determined that the needed expertise is not available
within the WG membership.
I hope this is helpful.
Best regards,
Marika
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDS PDP WG Leadership
Dear Members,
While I do agree that GNSO has important role here, I emphasise that leaders
from other stakeholder groups must be equally involved. In order to develop
a fair policy practical experience of each working group member will have a
significant role .Therefore independent cyber law experts or cyber security
experts may be consulted as group member by segregating the domain
/stakeholder group .If I have correctly understood independent experts will
belong to non commercial category.Please correct me if It is otherwise.
I do agree with Mr. Chuck suggestions on creating different leaders for
different teams that will work on the project.
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDS PDP WG Leadership
I agree with Alan on this - why is this restricted GNSO?
But I do agree in the need for more than one chair
Holly
On 27 Jan 2016, at 12:20 am, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> > wrote:
I often support Chuck in his suggestions on how to structure things, but
sadly I cannot in this case.
As with many others, I agree to the multi-person leadership group, and will
not push much for one option over another. And I agree with Liz that those
on the team should not be associated with strong views on the outcomes if at
all possible.
But Don is right! Restricting the leadership to GNSO people may be counter
productive and will definitely send exactly the wrong message to the overall
community. Multi-stakeholderism is not limited to the GNSO, and in the past,
we have had PDP WG leaders who were not part of the GNSO (myself included).
We may not end up with qualified volunteers from other parts of ICANN, since
the workload will be heavy. But a priori excluding them excluding them is
ill-conceived on multiple levels.
Alan
At 25/01/2016 03:56 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
In my personal capacity as a volunteer for the RDS PDP WG I would like to
propose the following approach to the WG leadership that I think would be
very helpful in facilitating our productivity:
. Have a leadership team consisting of 4 WG members plus the ICANN
staff support personnel.
. Have one leader from each of the four GNSO Stakeholder Groups
(SGs):
1. Non-Commercial SG (NCSG)
2. Commercial SG (CSG)
3. Registrars SG (RrSG)
4. Registries SG (RySG).
. The four leaders could serve in one of two ways:
o 2 co-chairs & 2 co-vice-chairs
o 1 chair & 3 co-vice chairs.
In recent years in the GNSO, a team leadership approach for WGs and even for
the GNSO Council itself has proved to be quite effective. It not only
spreads the workload around but more importantly it allows for a small team
of experienced people to collaborate together in leading the group's
efforts. Here are a few examples where a collaborative leadership team have
been used:
. The GNSO Council has a chair plus two vice chairs.
. The Policy & Implementation WG had two co-chairs and two
vice-chairs.
. The CWG Stewardship has two co-chairs.
. The CCWG Accountability has three co-chairs.
By adding a condition that each of the leadership team members come from
different SGs, it ensures that the chairs and vice chairs collectively have
expertise about all four of the GNSO stakeholder groups and creates a
situation where the leaders are well versed in the varying viewpoints that
exist across all four groups as well as differences within their respective
groups. I believe that this is especially important for an area such as
Registration Data Services (Whois) that has been very controversial over the
entirety of ICANN's history.
For those that are new to GNSO policy development processes, any
recommendations made by a WG have to eventually be approved by the GNSO
Council, which primarily consists of the four SGs. So Having all SGs
involved in the leadership of the WG from the beginning should facilitate
approval in the end.
It is important to remember that the role of the leadership team is to
facilitate bottom-up multi-stakeholder policy development in a neutral and
effective manner using a consensus based approach. This of course means
managing meetings and online work to ensure that the WG charter requirements
are satisfied. Hopefully, in most cases this will mean guiding the full
group in developing recommendations that most if not all of the WG members
can support. But, after diligent efforts to reach consensus, there is still
significant divergence about certain proposed recommendations, it will be
the leaders responsibility to decide whether there is sufficient support in
the WG to submit such recommendations to the GNSO Council. Understanding
this, it is important that each SG endorse the person on the leadership team
from its group.
I hope that we can confirm whether or not there is support for this approach
in our WG call tomorrow. If there is, then it will guide our efforts in
finding qualified members to serve on the leadership team as well as how to
structure the team (2 co-chairs + 2 co-vice-chairs or 1 chair + 3
co-vice-chairs).
I would be happy to respond to any questions anyone has.
Chuck Gomes
P.S. - For those that do not know me, my Statement of Interest (SOI) can be
found here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Chuck+Gomes+SOI
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