[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility, PBC and required contact methods....

Thu Aug 24 15:32:26 UTC 2017

We should also consider that while the presence of these three fields is 
currently mandatory, they can simply be filled with the registrants own 
data, so their usefulness is limited to the extend that their use for 
their actually intended purpose has become voluntary.

Does it really make any difference for anyone to have seperate 
Registrant, Admin and Tech contacts if they all hold the same data? Is 
not filling them with the same data the same as omitting the latter two 
altogether? So why not make them completely voluntary and couple that 
with the understanding that if they are omitted the registrant (or his 
agent) takes on these functions as well.

Best,

Volker

Am 24.08.2017 um 16:50 schrieb Sam Lanfranco:
> I don't know if this helps, but at least it is a short read:
>
> My mind keeps going back to the "form follows function" design idea. 
> The six PBCs are distinct contact purposes and not necessarily 
> distinct contact persons. In the existing WHOIS the three contacts 
> (registrant, admin, tech) were based on the idea that issues were 
> either technical or admin, or involved something the registrant should 
> be contactable for. The PBS types have added Legal, Abuse, and 
> Proxy/Privacy. Legal and Abuse are an evolutionary addition based on 
> the development of the Internet ecosystem and associated intellectual 
> property and abuse issues. A Proxy/Privacy contact follows from 
> specific issues that flow from the growth of proxy/privacy services.
>
>
> Without getting into who has access to what, one can envision what a 
> user interface might look like, and that might help identify/clarify 
> issues here. Assume six purposes (PBCs) and X (1,2,?) mandatory and Y 
> (1,2,?) optional contact methods. Any contact is for one of the six 
> purposes (PBCs). The registrant decides the appropriate options 
> (email, alt-email, IM, SMS, etc.) from the acceptable list, for each 
> of the six purposes, to be offered by the RDS and selected by the 
> query initiator.
>
> What might this entail for the registrant? Consider a simple forms 
> format. With the six possible query destinations, the registrant 
> enters a number of mandated/optional contact options, and may 
> associate particular contact options with particular query purposes. 
> For minimal registrant effort the contact options can be entered once, 
> and drop down menus for the six purposes can be used to flag certain, 
> some or all contact options as purpose appropriate.
>
>
> What are the WG decision issues here? Tentatively we have the six PBCs.
>
>
>   * We decide on X mandatory contact options. For each PBC there are X
>     possible choices.
>   * We decide on Y optional options, so for each PBC there are between
>     one and (X+Y) contact choices.
>   * We decide on what are acceptable contact option formats.
>   * With 6 contact purposes there should be 6 fields for contact options.
>
> If the registrant selects only one optional contact for a purpose, 
> that is the registrant's preferred contact option. If that fails the 
> query user has the mandatory contact options to fall back on.
>
>
> For what it is worth....
>
>
> Sam L.
>
>
>
> On 8/24/2017 8:49 AM, Greg Aaron wrote:
>>
>> Yes – there appears to be inconsistency between the goal of decent 
>> contactability and the possible implementation, which might not 
>> deliver on that promise.
>>
>> All best,
>>
>> --Greg
>>
>> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org 
>> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Deacon, Alex
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:56 PM
>> *To:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> *Subject:* [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility, PBC and required 
>> contact methods....
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I’ve been thinking about the discussion we had on this week’s call 
>> and the preliminary WG agreements that resulted from those 
>> discussions.  E.g.
>>
>> *Preliminary WG Agreement:* To improve contactability with the domain 
>> name registrant (or authorized agent of the registrant), the RDS must 
>> be capable of supporting at least one alternative contact method as 
>> an optional field.
>>
>> *Preliminary WG Agreement:* PBC types identified (Admin, Legal, 
>> Technical, Abuse, Proxy/Privacy, Business) must be supported by the 
>> RDS but optional for registrants to provide
>>
>> While I understand these are preliminary and high-level non-concrete 
>> concepts I wanted to point out that the main idea of the these 
>> preliminary WG agreements was to “improve contractibility”.   My 
>> concern is that these agreements do exactly the opposite.
>>
>> In today’s WHOIS we have 3 mandatory contact types (a.k.a. PBC): 
>> registrant, admin, tech.   Each of those three types mandate at 3 
>> contact methods (email, phone and physical mail) and allow for one 
>> optional contact method (Fax).  i.e. 3*3=9 potential methods to 
>> initiate contact with the registrant.  (And before you respond I do 
>> understand that often these contact types contain the same contact 
>> info.)      Even when all 3 contact types are the same there exists 3 
>> separate contact methods that increase contactability (1*3=3)
>>
>> Today’s preliminary agreements indicate that we could end up with a 
>> single contact type (Registrant) with a single contact method (email 
>> address).     i.e. 1*1=1
>>
>> This will clearly will decrease contactability – not increase it.   I 
>> think we have more work to do here….
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
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