[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
Sam Lanfranco
sam at lanfranco.net
Fri Feb 24 14:17:50 UTC 2017
Michele, et. al.
I may be way off base here but I am thinking about the complaints issue
from a researcher perspective.
Would there be any merit to simply having a link in, or at the bottom
of, the public (rds/whois) data that is a link to a site
(standard by registrar, by country, icann, or whatever) that has a
"howto guide" for going forward with a complaint?
If that existed it could be added to the "Contact Us", FAQ, and other
link sites.
Available at those points of inquiry it would probably redirect a lot of
traffic away from the registrar.
It might work at the ICANN level much as the following that turns up in
a whois search:
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:23:29 GMT <<<
For more information on Whois status codes, please visit
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en.
/Maybe => For complaint information please visit
https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints
/Sam L.
On 2/24/2017 8:46 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> John
>
> I don’t think anyone was trying to push for “rules” about how reports
> should be made.
>
> I know I wasn’t.
>
> I’ll also keep telling people who complain to us about $stuff to go to
> our clients first .. since most of the time they’re the ones they
> should be dealing with.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
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> *From: *John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com>
> *Date: *Friday 24 February 2017 at 13:40
> *To: *Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> *Cc: *theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl>, Michele Neylon
> <michele at blacknight.com>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
>
> Let me provide a few comments on that.
>
> 1. I like Volker's idea of including hosting details in the ultimate
> RDS. It's additional information, which may be useful to the
> viewer. From a concrete use-case perspective, when I or one of my
> analysts is evaluating whether a merchant should be boarded with a
> bank or rejected based on risk, it's certainly one of the details
> we look it. (I'm not sure it's technically "registration data,"
> but not sure if that matters.)
> 2. I object to using the RDS (or this group) to establish chains or a
> hierarchy of responsibility as being outside of our scope and
> mandate. (Chuck, maybe we can get a ruling on that?) I realize
> that there are members of this group who believe that a
> complainant should always go to the registrant first, then the
> host, and only the registrar as a last resort (some believe
> never). But that's not how everyone feels. Others believe it
> should be the payment processor first. Still others believe the
> registrar should be the first point of contact for a complaint.
> Still others believe there is no hierarchy and it's a case-by-case
> solution and all facilitators are equally valid points of contact.
> My point is not to get into an argument about who is right there
> (I and I'm sure many others don't have the time, and many of us
> have discussed this elsewhere); I simply don't think we should be
> using this group to try and resolve that particular issue, or
> impose some sort of a structure on internet users, because I think
> it's probably outside the scope of our mandate (and I will
> strongly note that I don't think there's consensus on that issue).
>
> Chuck, if I'm wrong and it's inside the scope of our mandate to use
> the RDS to establish a structure about who a complainant should
> approach first, second, third, fourth, etc. let us know, but if it's
> in scope, that's going to be a somewhat different discussion. Again,
> my objective here isn't to launch another 100-email debate about who
> is right or wrong; my objective is to argue that a) the idea of
> including hosting information in the RDS seems like a pretty
> reasonable one, but b) doing that in order to impose rules on internet
> users on what complaint hierarchy they should follow is out of scope
> for our mandate.
>
>
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> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> So should we maybe include hosting details in the ultimate RDS?
> These would have to be supplied differently, but it would make
> sense if we want to establish chains of responsibility in the data.
>
>
>
>
> Am 20.02.2017 um 14:20 schrieb theo geurts:
>
> Good point Michele,
>
> RDS should be a facilitating here in the sense that reports
> end up at the correct party and yet give the reporter a
> logical natural flow in creating the report without creating
> confusion with different set of contacts.
>
> Theo
>
>
> On 20-2-2017 12:24, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> Volker
>
> From our perspective the frustration is when the client
> (registrant) has their details in whois and / or on the
> website and the complainant makes zero attempt to contact
> them. The first we hear about the alleged issues is when I
> get a 100 page takedown notice on my desk.
> So if they can at least attempt to contact the website
> operator then it makes our lives a lot easier.
> As the hosting provider we *should* have details of how to
> reach the site owner, but not always, as we also offer
> dedicated servers, colo etc., but we’ll know who the IPs
> are assigned to
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
>
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> On 20/02/2017, 11:21, "Volker Greimann"
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> Agreed. The question is who is next if the details
> are not available. If
> it is content, the next port of call should be the
> host as the host has
> the ability to remove said content and also bears
> certain legal
> obligations in case of obvious violations while the
> registrar does not.
> As the registrar may not even know the actual
> registrant, for example
> for registrations under third party privacy services,
> it does not even
> make sense to contact the registrar.
> Best,
> Volker
> Am 20.02.2017 um 12:08 schrieb Michele
> Neylon - Blacknight:
> > Volker
> >
> > The key thing is the sequence.
> > If the contact’s details are available either via
> whois OR on the website then they’re the first port of call.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michele
> >
> >
> > --
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> No.: 370845
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> > On 20/02/2017, 10:46, "Volker Greimann"
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Well, the registrant may not be the right
> contact in all cases,
> > especially if it comes down to subdomains. But
> yes, if the registrant is
> > known, then he should probably be contacted
> right after a known website
> > operator. But if the registrant is unknown,
> the next contact should be
> > the host as he is closer to the alleged
> violation than the registrar.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Volker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 20.02.2017 um 11:28 schrieb Michele Neylon
> - Blacknight:
> > > Volker
> > >
> > > Really?
> > > As a hosting provider I’d strongly disagree.
> > >
> > > If you’ve got a problem with content on a
> website you should contact the registrant first.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Michele
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
> 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> > > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
> Company No.: 370845
> > >
> > > On 20/02/2017, 09:54,
> "gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Volker Greimann" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > When you say web site, it should be
> taken up with the web host not the
> > > registrar as the registrant is not
> necessarily the correct content.
> > >
> > > Problems with domain -> registrant
> > >
> > > Problems with content -> Web host
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Volker
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 17.02.2017 um 20:49 schrieb Mark
> Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
> > > > Counter example
> > > > "Joe" has a web site which is used
> to abuse my trademark. I can't contact Joe because his
> thin data is incorrect or hidden (I don't know that Joe is
> actually Joe.). I then contact the registrar. They
> follow up with the privacy proxy service if needed.
> Hopefully all this happens quickly and the cease and
> desist message is actually delivered.
> > > >
> > > > In actual practice, there is a
> noteworthy difference in effectiveness if we have to go
> through the registrar, compared to us contacting
> directly. If the registrar isn't responsive, then I may
> have to pressure ICANN to enforce the registrar contract,
> which has its own issues.
> > > >
> > > > In either case, your abuse of my
> trademark is probably a civil issue, so starting with law
> enforcement isn't a great option, even if they had the
> inclination and bandwidth to help out in a timely fashion.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: benny at nordreg.se
> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> [mailto:benny at nordreg.se
> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>]
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:41 AM
> > > > To: Mark Svancarek
> <marksv at microsoft.com <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>>
> > > > Cc: RDS PDP WG
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
> Dangers of public whois
> > > >
> > > > Let us take a simple example
> > > >
> > > > A phone number can you as the one
> it's registered on choose by yourself if it shall be
> published in the phone book, if you give the number to
> someone it's your choice as an individual! If the police
> want your number they will get without to much effort.
> > > >
> > > > So why on earth are we forcing
> registrants to give up this right to choose to whom they
> share that info?
> > > >
> > > > Forget what Whois are as we know it
> and come up with ideas how we can make a new system which
> takes reasonable interest of all sides here.
> > > >
> > > > The Status Quo hammering are not
> productive at all.
> > > >
> > > > RDS are meant to make change to the
> better!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On 17 Feb 2017, at 18:28, Mark
> Svancarek <marksv at microsoft.com
> <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Spam and DDOS will always be with
> us, and the need to mitigate them does not eliminate the
> need to have public data. It seems orthogonal to me.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From:
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> > > >>
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of
> > > >> benny at nordreg.se
> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:25 AM
> > > >> To: RDS PDP WG
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
> Dangers of public whois
> > > >>
> > > >> Another post about the problems with
> public whois
> > > >>
> > > >> How anyone here can still defend
> this abuse of info as a the best system I have serious
> problems understanding.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin
> > > >> g-based-whois-info/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind
> Regards / Med vennlig hilsen
> > > >>
> > > >> Benny Samuelsen
> > > >> Registry Manager - Domainexpert
> > > >>
> > > >> Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
> > > >> IANA-ID: 638
> > > >> Phone: +46.42197080 <tel:%2B46.42197080>
> > > >> Direct: +47.32260201
> <tel:%2B47.32260201>
> > > >> Mobile: +47.40410200
> <tel:%2B47.40410200>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 17 Feb 2017, at 14:55, Michele
> Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com
> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Allison
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As others have said, if you have an
> issue please report it to ICANN,
> > > >>> law enforcement, consumer
> protection etc., Some of us take our obligations very
> seriously and lumping all registrars and providers into
> one big bucket isn't very helpful for constructive dialogue.
> > > >>> We get a number of whois complaints
> from ICANN every year and we investigate each and every
> one of them. In some cases it's very obvious that the
> details provided are bogus, but in others it's not and we
> have to spend time energy and effort going back and forth
> with our client and ICANN to resolve it. Sometimes this
> leads to domains being suspended or deleted, sometimes the
> whois gets updated, sometimes the complaint is denied. But
> each complaint is handled on its merits.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We also have a whois privacy
> service. It is NOT a fake address. You can check it in the
> Irish company office:
> > > >>>
> https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now you may not like that people
> and organisations choose to obfuscate their contact
> details via services like that one, but that's a different
> issue entirely. I also personally have correspondence
> addresses in the US, mainland UK and a couple in Northern
> Ireland. I don't live at any of them, but you can send me
> physical mail and I will get it. You could argue that the
> address is "fake", but as I can get mail to it I'd suspect
> that in many cases it'd be considered valid.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Michele
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Mr Michele Neylon
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> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Volker A. Greimann
> - Rechtsabteilung -
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
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> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser
> Fan bei Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und
> nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der
> Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte
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> uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
> --------------------------------------------
> Should you have any further questions, please do
> not hesitate to contact us.
> Best regards,
> Volker A. Greimann
> - legal department -
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> Web: www.key-systems.net
> <http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net
> <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
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> / www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community
> on Facebook and stay updated:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
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> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
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> Web: www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /
> www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /
> www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
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> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den
> angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe,
> Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist
> unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so
> bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in
> Verbindung zu setzen.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to
> contact us.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - legal department -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /
> www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /
> www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and
> stay updated:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to
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