[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Fri Feb 24 15:36:01 UTC 2017
Which is why everyone seems to want registrar obligations that force
them to do what is actually the hosting providers' job.
Best,
Volker
Am 24.02.2017 um 16:33 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>
> Hosting providers don’t have a relationship with ICANN . ..
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
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> *From: *Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>
> *Date: *Friday 24 February 2017 at 15:25
> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>, John Horton
> <john.horton at legitscript.com>, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
>
> Michele,
>
> The current anarchy in complaint strategies involves $costs. Agreement
> on something by ICANN, as a general starting point roadmap for
> Complaints, should be doable.
> Complaints won't go away and some guidance is better than no guidance
> (and less costly to registrars by dulling, deflecting and re-directing
> initial contact)
>
> Sam
>
> On 2/24/2017 9:21 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> Sam
>
> That would involve us all agreeing on $stuff J
>
> So I suspect it wouldn’t work
>
> M
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>
> https://www.blacknight.com/
>
> http://blacknight.blog/
>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
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> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
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> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
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> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> Park,Sleaty
>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>
> *From: *Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net> <mailto:sam at lanfranco.net>
> *Date: *Friday 24 February 2017 at 14:17
> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>, John Horton
> <john.horton at legitscript.com>
> <mailto:john.horton at legitscript.com>, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
>
> Michele, et. al.
>
> I may be way off base here but I am thinking about the complaints
> issue from a researcher perspective.
>
> Would there be any merit to simply having a link in, or at the
> bottom of, the public (rds/whois) data that is a link to a site
> (standard by registrar, by country, icann, or whatever) that has a
> "howto guide" for going forward with a complaint?
> If that existed it could be added to the "Contact Us", FAQ, and
> other link sites.
> Available at those points of inquiry it would probably redirect a
> lot of traffic away from the registrar.
>
> It might work at the ICANN level much as the following that turns
> up in a whois search:
>
> >>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:23:29 GMT <<<
>
> For more information on Whois status codes, please visit
> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en.
> /Maybe => For complaint information please visit
> https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints
>
> /Sam L.
>
> On 2/24/2017 8:46 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> John
>
> I don’t think anyone was trying to push for “rules” about how
> reports should be made.
>
> I know I wasn’t.
>
> I’ll also keep telling people who complain to us about $stuff
> to go to our clients first .. since most of the time they’re
> the ones they should be dealing with.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>
> https://www.blacknight.com/
>
> http://blacknight.blog/
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> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
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> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
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>
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>
> *From: *John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com>
> <mailto:john.horton at legitscript.com>
> *Date: *Friday 24 February 2017 at 13:40
> *To: *Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> *Cc: *theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl> <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>,
> Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
>
> Let me provide a few comments on that.
>
> 1. I like Volker's idea of including hosting details in the
> ultimate RDS. It's additional information, which may be
> useful to the viewer. From a concrete use-case
> perspective, when I or one of my analysts is evaluating
> whether a merchant should be boarded with a bank or
> rejected based on risk, it's certainly one of the details
> we look it. (I'm not sure it's technically "registration
> data," but not sure if that matters.)
> 2. I object to using the RDS (or this group) to establish
> chains or a hierarchy of responsibility as being outside
> of our scope and mandate. (Chuck, maybe we can get a
> ruling on that?) I realize that there are members of this
> group who believe that a complainant should always go to
> the registrant first, then the host, and only the
> registrar as a last resort (some believe never). But
> that's not how everyone feels. Others believe it should be
> the payment processor first. Still others believe the
> registrar should be the first point of contact for a
> complaint. Still others believe there is no hierarchy and
> it's a case-by-case solution and all facilitators are
> equally valid points of contact. My point is not to get
> into an argument about who is right there (I and I'm sure
> many others don't have the time, and many of us have
> discussed this elsewhere); I simply don't think we should
> be using this group to try and resolve that particular
> issue, or impose some sort of a structure on internet
> users, because I think it's probably outside the scope of
> our mandate (and I will strongly note that I don't think
> there's consensus on that issue).
>
> Chuck, if I'm wrong and it's inside the scope of our mandate
> to use the RDS to establish a structure about who a
> complainant should approach first, second, third, fourth, etc.
> let us know, but if it's in scope, that's going to be a
> somewhat different discussion. Again, my objective here isn't
> to launch another 100-email debate about who is right or
> wrong; my objective is to argue that a) the idea of including
> hosting information in the RDS seems like a pretty reasonable
> one, but b) doing that in order to impose rules on internet
> users on what complaint hierarchy they should follow is out of
> scope for our mandate.
>
>
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> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> wrote:
>
> So should we maybe include hosting details in the ultimate
> RDS? These would have to be supplied differently, but it
> would make sense if we want to establish chains of
> responsibility in the data.
>
>
>
>
> Am 20.02.2017 um 14:20 schrieb theo geurts:
>
> Good point Michele,
>
> RDS should be a facilitating here in the sense that
> reports end up at the correct party and yet give the
> reporter a logical natural flow in creating the report
> without creating confusion with different set of contacts.
>
> Theo
>
>
> On 20-2-2017 12:24, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> Volker
>
> From our perspective the frustration is when the
> client (registrant) has their details in whois and
> / or on the website and the complainant makes zero
> attempt to contact them. The first we hear about
> the alleged issues is when I get a 100 page
> takedown notice on my desk.
> So if they can at least attempt to contact the
> website operator then it makes our lives a lot easier.
> As the hosting provider we *should* have details
> of how to reach the site owner, but not always, as
> we also offer dedicated servers, colo etc., but
> we’ll know who the IPs are assigned to
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
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> On 20/02/2017, 11:21, "Volker Greimann"
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> Agreed. The question is who is next if the
> details are not available. If
> it is content, the next port of call should
> be the host as the host has
> the ability to remove said content and also
> bears certain legal
> obligations in case of obvious violations
> while the registrar does not.
> As the registrar may not even know the
> actual registrant, for example
> for registrations under third party privacy
> services, it does not even
> make sense to contact the registrar.
> Best,
> Volker
> Am 20.02.2017 um 12:08 schrieb
> Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
> > Volker
> >
> > The key thing is the sequence.
> > If the contact’s details are available
> either via whois OR on the website then they’re
> the first port of call.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michele
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mr Michele Neylon
> > Blacknight Solutions
> > Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> > https://www.blacknight.com/
> > http://blacknight.blog/
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> > Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
> > Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
> > -------------------------------
> > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
> 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
> Company No.: 370845
> >
> > On 20/02/2017, 10:46, "Volker Greimann"
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Well, the registrant may not be the
> right contact in all cases,
> > especially if it comes down to
> subdomains. But yes, if the registrant is
> > known, then he should probably be
> contacted right after a known website
> > operator. But if the registrant is
> unknown, the next contact should be
> > the host as he is closer to the
> alleged violation than the registrar.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Volker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 20.02.2017 um 11:28 schrieb Michele
> Neylon - Blacknight:
> > > Volker
> > >
> > > Really?
> > > As a hosting provider I’d strongly
> disagree.
> > >
> > > If you’ve got a problem with content
> on a website you should contact the registrant first.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Michele
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mr Michele Neylon
> > > Blacknight Solutions
> > > Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> > > https://www.blacknight.com/
> > > http://blacknight.blog/
> > > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
> <tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072>
> > > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> <tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090>
> > > Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
> > > Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
> > > -------------------------------
> > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
> Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> > > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
> X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
> > >
> > > On 20/02/2017, 09:54,
> "gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on
> behalf of Volker Greimann"
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on
> behalf of vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > When you say web site, it
> should be taken up with the web host not the
> > > registrar as the registrant is
> not necessarily the correct content.
> > >
> > > Problems with domain -> registrant
> > >
> > > Problems with content -> Web host
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Volker
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 17.02.2017 um 20:49 schrieb
> Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
> > > > Counter example
> > > > "Joe" has a web site which is
> used to abuse my trademark. I can't contact Joe
> because his thin data is incorrect or hidden (I
> don't know that Joe is actually Joe.). I then
> contact the registrar. They follow up with the
> privacy proxy service if needed. Hopefully all
> this happens quickly and the cease and desist
> message is actually delivered.
> > > >
> > > > In actual practice, there is
> a noteworthy difference in effectiveness if we
> have to go through the registrar, compared to us
> contacting directly. If the registrar isn't
> responsive, then I may have to pressure ICANN to
> enforce the registrar contract, which has its own
> issues.
> > > >
> > > > In either case, your abuse of
> my trademark is probably a civil issue, so
> starting with law enforcement isn't a great
> option, even if they had the inclination and
> bandwidth to help out in a timely fashion.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: benny at nordreg.se
> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> [mailto:benny at nordreg.se
> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>]
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 17,
> 2017 9:41 AM
> > > > To: Mark Svancarek
> <marksv at microsoft.com <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>>
> > > > Cc: RDS PDP WG
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> > > > Subject: Re:
> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
> > > >
> > > > Let us take a simple example
> > > >
> > > > A phone number can you as the
> one it's registered on choose by yourself if it
> shall be published in the phone book, if you give
> the number to someone it's your choice as an
> individual! If the police want your number they
> will get without to much effort.
> > > >
> > > > So why on earth are we
> forcing registrants to give up this right to
> choose to whom they share that info?
> > > >
> > > > Forget what Whois are as we
> know it and come up with ideas how we can make a
> new system which takes reasonable interest of all
> sides here.
> > > >
> > > > The Status Quo hammering are
> not productive at all.
> > > >
> > > > RDS are meant to make change
> to the better!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On 17 Feb 2017, at 18:28,
> Mark Svancarek <marksv at microsoft.com
> <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Spam and DDOS will always be
> with us, and the need to mitigate them does not
> eliminate the need to have public data. It seems
> orthogonal to me.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From:
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> > > >>
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] On
> Behalf Of
> > > >> benny at nordreg.se
> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, February 17,
> 2017 8:25 AM
> > > >> To: RDS PDP WG
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> > > >> Subject: Re:
> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
> > > >>
> > > >> Another post about the
> problems with public whois
> > > >>
> > > >> How anyone here can still
> defend this abuse of info as a the best system I
> have serious problems understanding.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin
> > > >> g-based-whois-info/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Med vänliga hälsningar /
> Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen
> > > >>
> > > >> Benny Samuelsen
> > > >> Registry Manager - Domainexpert
> > > >>
> > > >> Nordreg AB - ICANN
> accredited registrar
> > > >> IANA-ID: 638
> > > >> Phone: +46.42197080
> <tel:%2B46.42197080>
> > > >> Direct: +47.32260201
> <tel:%2B47.32260201>
> > > >> Mobile: +47.40410200
> <tel:%2B47.40410200>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 17 Feb 2017, at 14:55,
> Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> <michele at blacknight.com
> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Allison
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As others have said, if you
> have an issue please report it to ICANN,
> > > >>> law enforcement, consumer
> protection etc., Some of us take our obligations
> very seriously and lumping all registrars and
> providers into one big bucket isn't very helpful
> for constructive dialogue.
> > > >>> We get a number of whois
> complaints from ICANN every year and we
> investigate each and every one of them. In some
> cases it's very obvious that the details provided
> are bogus, but in others it's not and we have to
> spend time energy and effort going back and forth
> with our client and ICANN to resolve it. Sometimes
> this leads to domains being suspended or deleted,
> sometimes the whois gets updated, sometimes the
> complaint is denied. But each complaint is handled
> on its merits.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We also have a whois
> privacy service. It is NOT a fake address. You can
> check it in the Irish company office:
> > > >>>
> https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now you may not like that
> people and organisations choose to obfuscate their
> contact details via services like that one, but
> that's a different issue entirely. I also
> personally have correspondence addresses in the
> US, mainland UK and a couple in Northern Ireland.
> I don't live at any of them, but you can send me
> physical mail and I will get it. You could argue
> that the address is "fake", but as I can get mail
> to it I'd suspect that in many cases it'd be
> considered valid.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Michele
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Mr Michele Neylon
> > > >>> Blacknight Solutions
> > > >>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> > > >>> https://www.blacknight.com/
> > > >>> http://blacknight.blog/
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> > > >>> Personal blog:
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> > > >>> Some thoughts:
> https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/>
> > > >>> -------------------------------
> > > >>> Blacknight Internet
> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> > > >>> Park,Sleaty
> > > >>>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
> Company No.: 370845
> > > >>>
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> > > --
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> >
> > Volker A. Greimann
> > - Rechtsabteilung -
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> > Key-Systems GmbH
> > Im Oberen Werk 1
> > 66386 St. Ingbert
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> >
> > Best regards,
> >
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> >
> > Key-Systems GmbH
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> > Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
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> >
> > CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> > Registration No.: HR B 18835 -
> Saarbruecken
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> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne
> zur Verfügung.
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Volker A. Greimann
> - Rechtsabteilung -
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
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> <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
> www.domaindiscount24.com
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> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden
> Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist
> vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger
> bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe,
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> Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten
> wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch
> in Verbindung zu setzen.
> --------------------------------------------
> Should you have any further questions,
> please do not hesitate to contact us.
> Best regards,
> Volker A. Greimann
> - legal department -
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> Web: www.key-systems.net
> <http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net
> <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
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> www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan
> community on Facebook and stay updated:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
> This e-mail and its attachments is
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> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
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> www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
> www.domaindiscount24.com <http://www.domaindiscount24.com>
> / www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
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> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei
> Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für
> den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der
> Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte
> durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht
> nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit
> uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not
> hesitate to contact us.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - legal department -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> <tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> /
> www.RRPproxy.net <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
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> / www.BrandShelter.com <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook
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> www.twitter.com/key_systems
> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
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> ------------------------------------------------
>
> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
>
> in an unjust state" -Confucius
>
> 邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
>
> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
>
> email:Lanfran at Yorku.ca <mailto:Lanfran at Yorku.ca> Skype: slanfranco
>
> blog:https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
>
> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------
> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
> in an unjust state" -Confucius
> 邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也
> ------------------------------------------------
> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
> email:Lanfran at Yorku.ca <mailto:Lanfran at Yorku.ca> Skype: slanfranco
> blog:https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852
--
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
--------------------------------------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
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