[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access
Volker Greimann
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Thu Jun 1 09:29:28 UTC 2017
Well, coming from 'self-proclaimed internet crime investigators' the
term stings less than intended...
Am 31.05.2017 um 21:42 schrieb Stephanie Perrin:
>
> I would like to formally object to this kind of characterization of
> the people who are working in good faith on this working group:
> "self-proclaimed privacy advocates". I can only speak for myself, so
> I will do only that.....I am not a self-proclaimed privacy advocate.
> I have been working as a privacy professional since 1984, when I
> became one of the first privacy coordinators for the Department of
> Communications of Canada. I was the first president in 1986 of CAPA,
> the privacy professionals association which we formed and which
> collaborated for many years with ASAP, the US equivalent. I could go
> on and on and if you require references as to whether or not our views
> should be accepted as having merit, regardless of whether you agree
> with them or not, I am happy to provide them. But please, let us
> treat one another with a bit more respect.
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
>
> On 2017-05-31 13:39, allison nixon wrote:
>> Good faith does not excuse ignorance. Such a mistake reveals the
>> extreme tunnel vision by many self proclaimed privacy advocates here.
>> It shows why they butt heads with people who work every day in the
>> trenches to actually protect privacy of real- not theoretical- victims.
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org
>> <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Again, I really think we need to dial down the level of sarcasm
>> here. The proportionality proposal was made in good faith.
>>
>> However, I'm from a privacy advocacy organization and even I have
>> agreed that there are operational problems with any proposal to
>> limit unauthenticated access to thin WHOIS data. I agree that
>> while privacy is an absolutely key principle to be upheld, so is
>> the generativity of the Internet, and that unauthenticated access
>> to thin WHOIS data, much of which just replicates the information
>> that end users make available through their own nameservers, is
>> part of the permissionless innovation that underpins many real
>> world Internet applications.
>>
>>
>> On 31/5/17 10:14 am, allison nixon wrote:
>>> Which includes nameservers, which are collected and propagated
>>> by the registrars. If this is deemed sensitive information, then
>>> the registrars should be careful sharing that data via other
>>> outlets without tight restrictions!
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Michael Peddemors
>>> <michael at linuxmagic.com <mailto:michael at linuxmagic.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17-05-31 10:07 AM, allison nixon wrote:
>>>
>>> the rest of it can't be. You can't put a DNS query
>>> behind a EULA. We
>>> can't pretend there are restrictions on this data.
>>>
>>>
>>> We aren't discussing DNS or any other places that data is
>>> available as part of this working group. Only the informed
>>> consent of data held in whois thin data.
>>>
>>>
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