[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting - Tuesday 6 June

Tue Jun 6 19:06:36 UTC 2017

Thanks. Can you share names? What constitutes a good track record for our
purposes?

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 at 15:27 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

> Jonathan
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> ICANN Staff has identified several law firms that have experience and a
> good track record.
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> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of jonathan
> matkowsky <jonathan.matkowsky at riskiq.net>
> *Date: *Tuesday 6 June 2017 at 06:35
> *To: *Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting -
> Tuesday 6 June
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> Greg raises a very important point. Lawyers serve different roles in
> different situations. Here, we should not be seeking a lawyer to serve as
> an advocate in this situation for any member's goals, but an advisor to let
> us know whether certain options are well within a reasonable degree of
> business risk for the group, slightly more risky, or have a higher than the
> usual degree of business risk--all based on applicable law. We need someone
> that has a lot of experience with various privacy laws in different
> jurisdictions specifically as it applies to the Internet. If we need
> recommendations, let me know.
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> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
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> The goal of good legal advice should be to give the client (here, the
> group developing policy) a solution that offers the most latitude to
> achieve their objectives while complying with the law.  If the goal is to
> constrain the RDS beyond the minimum constraints of the law, that is not
> good legal advice to a group trying to develop policy recommendations. It
> might achieve some other objective, but it is not an objective related to
> legal advice.
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> Greg
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> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
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> Oh, I accept that we are going to have to get outside counsel.  I am just
> putting a marker in, that we probably have different views on how to seek
> advice from counsel.  Our goals are different.
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> Stephanie
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> On 2017-06-05 19:18, Adam Lanier wrote:
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> Stephanie,
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> Do you have an alternate suggestion then? It sounds as if you think hiring
> outside council may not be a good idea.
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> On another note, it seems to me that there is considerable legal and
> technical talent already in this WG.  Does everyone feel that there is no
> way for us to educate each other and fill in at least some of the gaps?
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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
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> I certainly agree with Andrew that I at least have a technical expertise
> gap, not so much a public policy and legal gap.  I would also add that the
> risk in hiring legal counsel to advise us, is that we will not agree on
> what questions to ask.  For those of us advocating the public policy goals
> of human rights and protection of data, it will hardly be satisfactory to
> hire a "privacy goalie" who will be trying to find ways to deflect
> implementing more stringent data protection.  We have different goals here.
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> Stephanie
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> On 2017-06-05 18:28, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
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> Hi,
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> On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 11:16:56PM +0100, Paul Keating wrote:
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> I would like to reiterate my request that we attempt to formally engage counsel for the e.g. Who can provide meaningful legal advice.
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> While I am by no means opposed to that suggestion, I worry about two
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> issues: (1) that it'll blow such budget as we maybe have and (2) that
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> once we do this we ought also to engage (formally) technical expertise
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> and so on.  Without wishing to impugn anyone, I will confess that in
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> this group gaps in legal knowledge are way less obvious to me than
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> gaps in technical knowledge.  This is doubtless because of my own
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> background, and not the relative desity of knowledge gaps.
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> Best regards,
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> A
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