[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Who is in charge? (was Re: Why the thin data is necessary)]

[Stephanie Perrin]

Thanks Michele, I was actually trying to point to it as an example of 
good practice. I discussed the whole accreditation idea with Peter C, 
particularly in the context of work that is going on at the 
https://www.globalcyberalliance.org/index.html#contact.  I realize some 
folks don't like the idea, indeed it would be perhaps more accurate to 
say that apparently the whole idea is anathema to them, but anybody who 
has read the UN Cybercrime report might possibly think we need to 
improve standards somehow.  I assume there is no quarrel here as to 
whether that 2013 report is worth reading....

cheers Steph


On 2017-06-08 12:05, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> Stephanie
>
> The APWG’s membership page provides some details on who can join and 
> some of the criteria that they apply to the membership process:
>
> http://apwg.org/membership/membership/
>
> There are several APWG members on this list who might be able to speak 
> to data access.
>
> I don’t think it’s particularly offensive to ask how an organisation 
> decides who should get access to data. If you don’t ask I’ve no idea 
> how you are meant to learn.
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> Regards
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> Michele
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> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Stephanie 
> Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> *Date: *Thursday 8 June 2017 at 09:56
> *To: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Who is in charge? (was Re: Why the 
> thin data is necessary)]
>
> Calling me naive, ill informed etc.  does not actually answer the 
> question folks.  It is, I am afraid, a valid question.  What criteria 
> does an organization like APWG apply, when it admits members and 
> shares data with them?  How do you ensure you are not sharing data 
> with organizations who are going to misuse it? that data of course is 
> much more that what we are talking about with thin data, but I did 
> actually work on this issue on successive versions of the anti-spam 
> legislation.  Oddly enough, government lawyers examining the issue 
> (mostly from the competition bureau who deal with criminal matters) 
> never labelled me "naive".
>
> Folks, can we please try to be polite to one another on this list?  
> When I have questions like this, I often check with experts before I 
> ask.  They don't call me naive, they answer my questions.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Stephanie
>
> On 2017-06-08 01:54, Neil Schwartzman wrote:
>
>     My experience differs slightly. They aren’t ignored. The presence
>     of these .TLDs is a strong indicator of abuse which bears further
>     investigation.
>
>     To the point at hand: I believe the notion of certifying private
>     cybercrime investigators to be painfully naive (do I ignore
>     reports from someone without a Internet Investigator License? Do
>     we disallow them access to data?), impractical in the developed
>     world, and deeply chauvinistic, patronizing and exclusionary to
>     our colleagues in emerging nations where capacity building is
>     exactly what’s needed to deal with next-gen abuse.
>
>         On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:36 AM, allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com
>         <mailto:elsakoo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         We're getting there. Entire top level domains are already
>         ignored on many networks like .science, .xyz, .pw, .top,
>         .club, et cetera
>
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