[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] [Ext] RE: IMPORTANT: Action Items and Notes from the GNSO Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 13 June 2017

Wed Jun 14 14:27:47 UTC 2017

Hi Chuck and All,

The tentative agreements made during yesterday’s WG call were as follows:

  *   WG Agreement: "Minimum Public Data Set" to be used as a replacement term (within WG Agreements to date) for what had previously been referred to as "thin data"
  *   WG Agreement: The DNSSEC data element should be added to the "Minimum Public Data Set"
  *   WG Agreement: Today's gTLD WHOIS registration data elements classified as "thin" are sufficient at this time, to be referred to within WG Agreements hereafter as the "Minimum Public Data Set"

Additionally, during yesterday’s call, the WG reviewed the responses to Question 2 of last week’s poll, which was as follows:

Q2. Expiration Date
In our 6 June call, the WG considered whether any of the "thin data" elements shown in the example WHOIS record above are NOT required as "thin data" to be made publicly accessible through an RDS. During that discussion, the following agreement was proposed: Expiration Date should be removed as a "thin data" element accessible without authentication through an RDS. To help the WG make progress on this question, please indicate whether you agree with this proposal.

The conclusion of this discussion was to NOT accept the proposal to remove the Expiration Date from what had been previously referred to as “thin data”, but is now being referred to as the “Minimum Public Data Set” (and has been called “MPDS” on the WG mailing list today), as per the first WG agreement above. This was in response to both; yesterday’s discussion as well as the overwhelming opposition to removing the Expiration Date from the Minimum Public Data Set in the poll responses.

These agreements will be added to the Key Concepts Deliberation – Working Draft<https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Phase+1+Documents?preview=/56986791/66077831/KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-6June2017.pdf> document, which is posted on the WG wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/p4xlAw.

As Chuck explained in his note below, not all these decisions were made using a poll. Specifically, the first WG agreement above on using the term “Minimum Public Data Set” was reached as a result of the discussion of this term during yesterday’s call, as well as input on a replacement term for “thin data” that took place on the WG mailing list. A summary of the views expressed on list have been tabulated, and attached to this email.

I hope this helps.

Thanks.

Amr

From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 3:59 PM
To: Amr Elsadr <amr.elsadr at icann.org>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Action Items and Notes from the GNSO Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 13 June 2017

Amr,

I have a new action item:  Send a message to the WG list listing the tentative conclusions (agreements) that were made by the WG in the meeting yesterday.  Because we decided not to do a poll to confirm those, I think it is important for us to specifically communicate them to the WG for those who were not on the call.

Chuck

From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Amr Elsadr
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:37 PM
To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Action Items and Notes from the GNSO Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 13 June 2017
Importance: High

Dear Working Group members,

Please find the action items and notes from today’s RDS PDP WG meeting.

Thanks.

Amr

Action Items:

  1.  Staff to add above-noted WG agreements to working document and also update all WG Agreements to date to refer to "Minimum Public Data Set" instead of "Thin Data"
  2.  Staff to circulate the list of data elements specified in 2013 RAA, highlighting non-contact information that is currently publicly published in the "thin" WHOIS for many domain names, to the WG mailing list
  3.  Staff to draft a poll question asking if WG members disagree with the purpose(s) and rationale given for each data element in the "Minimum Public Data Set" (each row in the table beginning on slide 3 of the 6 June handout), and provide rationale if they do not agree with or wish to revise purposes, rationale for collection, and/or rationale for publication
  4.  Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal to complete action assigned during 17 May call and distribute in advance of next WG call

Meeting Notes

These high-level notes are designed to help PDP WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript and/or recording. The MP3, transcript, and chat are provided separately and are posted on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/x/JMPRAw[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_JMPRAw&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=05q1QlFJxehLvkKMezIvvnG4SJpAyE41B7EkG8hqOy8&e=>.

1) Roll Call/SOI Updates

  *   Attendance will be taken from AC
  *   Please remember to state your name before speaking and remember to mute your microphones when not speaking
  *   SOI updates: None

2) Complete deliberation on Data Elements for "thin data" only

a) Replacement term for "thin data"

  *   There may be more data elements that may be publicly accessible, and added to what is currently being called "thin data".
  *   Objective to replacement term should be that it doesn't cause confusion or imply meaning that isn't there
  *   In short: Seeking a term to encompass the set of data elements deliberated on thus far and referenced in WG agreements thus far, replacing "thin data"
  *   WG will eventually consider all data elements, and determine whether they should be public or gated
  *   Replacement term is not meant to replace what is defined as "thin data" - only meant to include data elements that WG members tentatively agree unauthenticated public access is applicable to - currently includes data elements in "thin data"
  *   "Minimum Public Data Set" is the list of fields that will always be public no matter the gTLD.

WG Agreement: "Minimum Public Data Set" to be used as a replacement term (within WG Agreements to date) for what had previously been referred to as "thin data"

b) Review poll results - see AnnotatedResults-Poll-from-6JuneCall.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_AnnotatedResults-2DPoll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497226942000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=H9Bef5u24UFYFRx4dfajJmPCDE37wBaWFUpI5vv-j00&e=>

  *   Question 2:
     *   Overwhelming view expressed was that the expiration date should not be removed from the "Minimum Public Data Set" - some responses agreed that it should be removed
     *   Conclusion: Proposed WG agreement is not accepted and should not be included in WG Agreements
  *   Question 3:
     *   DNSSEC would be helpful to be available in the “Minimum Public Data Set” – Purpose of DNSSEC is to provide a troubleshooting tool – allows a secondary check to determine if there is a gap between the registry and the DNS, and contact the relevant operator
     *   DNSSEC is already a "thin data" element contractually required for publication

WG Agreement: The DNSSEC data element should be added to the "Minimum Public Data Set"

  *   Question 4:

Action Item: Staff to circulate the list of data elements specified in 2013 RAA, highlighting non-contact information that is currently publicly published in the "thin" WHOIS for many domain names, to the WG mailing list

WG Agreement: Today's gTLD WHOIS registration data elements classified as "thin" are sufficient at this time, to be referred to within WG Agreements hereafter as the "Minimum Public Data Set"

     *   WG will deliberate on additional data elements identified in poll responses as we move on to "thick data" and consider further data elements

Action Item: Staff to add above-noted WG agreements to working document and also update all WG Agreements to date to refer to "Minimum Public Data Set" instead of "Thin Data"

c) Purposes for "thin data" - see RDSPDP-Handout-For13JuneCall.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_RDSPDP-2DHandout-2DFor13JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497288536000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=a4KSMxo2DHt38iqlSvKQ3lFMjZZhx637ZziyDk8d8ik&e=>

  *   Are there any purposes in the EWG Final Report, which may need to be adjusted or refined?
  *   Should the WG develop a comprehensive list of purposes before concluding what data elements need to be included in the "Minimum Public Data Set"?
  *   There should not be an expectation for a complete list, however the WG should demonstrate agreement on purposes to collect, process and publish the data - considering the shifting environment regarding privacy/data protection applicable laws
  *   Should the purposes of data collection, processing and publication of a specific data element match?
  *   Should the purposes being discussed address those of registrars, registries or ICANN in terms of collection of data? Or all three?
  *   What are the advantages or disadvantages of listing multiple purposes for collection of data elements in the "Minimum Public Data Set"?
  *   Specific purposes relating to each data element began as a proposal on the WG mailing list by Andrew Sullivan to identify the purposes to collect each data element, then identify a purpose to publicly publish each data element
  *   WG members to be polled on whether they disagree with the purpose(s) and rationale given for each data element in the "Minimum Public Data Set"
  *   Should the poll cover the table in the 6 June handout as a whole, or address each data element separately?
  *   Suggestion: The poll would ask if WG members are in agreement with each table row, if not, what do they feel needs to be explored further - to inform next call deliberation

Action Item: Staff to draft a poll question asking if WG members disagree with the purpose(s) and rationale given for each data element in the "Minimum Public Data Set" (each row in the table beginning on slide 3 of the 6 June handout), and provide rationale if they do not agree with or wish to revise purposes, rationale for collection, and/or rationale for publication

3) Action item proposal from Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal

  *   No update available
  *   Rod and Vaibhav still seeking helpful answers from ICANN SSAC support staff

Action Item (carried over): Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal to complete action assigned during 17 May call and distribute in advance of next WG call

4) Confirm action items and proposed decision points

  *   WG Agreement: "Minimum Public Data Set" to be used as a replacement term (within WG Agreements to date) for what had previously been referred to as "thin data"
  *   WG Agreement: The DNSSEC data element should be added to the "Minimum Public Data Set"
  *   WG Agreement: Today's gTLD WHOIS registration data elements classified as "thin" are sufficient at this time, to be referred to within WG Agreements hereafter as the "Minimum Public Data Set"
  *   Action Items:
     *   Staff to add above-noted WG agreements to working document and also update all WG Agreements to date to refer to "Minimum Public Data Set" instead of "Thin Data"
     *   Staff to circulate the list of data elements specified in 2013 RAA, highlighting non-contact information that is currently publicly published in the "thin" WHOIS for many domain names, to the WG mailing list
     *   Staff to draft a poll question asking if WG members disagree with the purpose(s) and rationale given for each data element in the "Minimum Public Data Set" (each row in the table beginning on slide 3 of the 6 June handout), and provide rationale if they do not agree with or wish to revise purposes, rationale for collection, and/or rationale for publication
     *   Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal to complete action assigned during 17 May call and distribute in advance of next WG call
 5) Confirm next meeting date: 21 June 2017 at 5:00 UTC

Meeting Materials

  *   KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-6June2017.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_56986791_KeyConceptsDeliberation-2DWorkingDraft-2D6June2017.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1496814649025-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=GnndwkXZmuy2do8YWZXEpwGZMSKt9CdWNJSLxr32DCU&e=> and doc[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_56986791_KeyConceptsDeliberation-2DWorkingDraft-2D6June2017.docx-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1496814661537-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=JB5Ggtz1gp7bwL04b5uOGIIrkUty5BhhyfHh_xSKXLw&e=>
  *   For agenda item 2c) RDSPDP-Handout-For13JuneCall.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_RDSPDP-2DHandout-2DFor13JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497288536000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=a4KSMxo2DHt38iqlSvKQ3lFMjZZhx637ZziyDk8d8ik&e=>
6 June Call Poll Results (closes at COB Saturday 10 June)

     *   PDF of Poll Questions: [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078624_Poll-2Dfrom-2D30MayCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1496201558000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=WgsRyv4zwwOU--GFNZ-P52olp9mdmCYNlXJ6V--ZEOw&e=> [community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078626_Poll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1496813577571-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=oA0Z4n2QsMjCyuYrNe47Uog_JGLlonYvy9L9WH5TZ_4&e=>Poll-from-6JuneCall.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078626_Poll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1496813577571-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=oA0Z4n2QsMjCyuYrNe47Uog_JGLlonYvy9L9WH5TZ_4&e=>
     *   Annotated Poll Results: AnnotatedResults-Poll-from-6JuneCall.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_AnnotatedResults-2DPoll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497226942000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=H9Bef5u24UFYFRx4dfajJmPCDE37wBaWFUpI5vv-j00&e=>
     *   SurveyMonkey Summary Poll Results: SummaryResults-Poll-from-6JuneCall.pdf[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_SummaryResults-2DPoll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497196843000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=HFl4p2QYe4AFMmdqaNuP9GmKNCSIi6jFPBKixQneYVs&e=>
     *   SurveyMonkey Raw Data Poll Results: RawDataResults-Poll-from-6JuneCall.zip[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_RawDataResults-2DPoll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.zip-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497196859000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=J5EA5QGLHew24PGtTQ_KtR0J5v6hQZKBrbuCtvEYxHI&e=> and XLS[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078628_RawDataResults-2DPoll-2Dfrom-2D6JuneCall.xls-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1497196873000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DZVUAuc1juldSXNq8YmDoadUOY0MfYdjlopAUQyOxRQ&m=0P99fNAijwTLGJjlltYyEfhNM5fcQDhp7gdgxqaJMYk&s=jCnysVDOAspKIt5Mb1jxmJzyDil7mFECgZ2IaqK369g&e=>

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