[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
Volker Greimann
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Mon Mar 6 12:30:53 UTC 2017
Agreed, but we still need to understand their role and position when we
look at their statement.
Best,
Volker
Am 03.03.2017 um 17:24 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
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> Agree with John.
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> They’re simply stating their opinion as a collective.
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> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of John Horton
> <john.horton at legitscript.com>
> *Date: *Friday 3 March 2017 at 16:03
> *To: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement
> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> Maxim, if it helps to clarify (having worked with the IACP
> periodically over the years myself), I think the point of the document
> was to represent their stakeholders' viewpoints to this group about
> RDS. I don't think the IACP was trying to argue that as an
> association, it is a law enforcement entity (whether for RDS access
> purposes or any other purpose) -- at least, that's how I read the
> document. (Sometimes, it's just a more efficient way to convey an
> industry viewpoint, as opposed to requiring that all of the IACP's
> 27,000+ members separately submit a letter to this group.) Just my two
> cents.
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> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com
> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>
> Maxim,
>
> It is important that we openly accept input from all stakeholders
> including professionals from specific fields. We will have to
> decide what groups should be given access to what data elements
> that are not publicly disclosed. Let’s not get ahead of
> ourselves. In the case of law enforcement, we will need to work
> with them in this regard including with this association if they
> are willing to do so.
>
> INTA is an association; I am sure you would not suggest that we
> discount their views.
>
> The concerns you raise will need to be considered in light of the
> bigger picture involving all stakeholders.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maxim
> Alzoba
> *Sent:* Friday, March 03, 2017 10:34 AM
> *To:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
> enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> Hello All,
>
> I think we might consider this set of items only as an opinion of
> professionals in the field of Law Enforcement.
>
> Granting access to data to members of the association is
>
> highly questionable, given the non-official status of the
> participants.
>
> As I understand members of association do not act on behalf of
> their LEAs, but as individuals who worked/are working in the field
> of Law Enforcement (and from legal perspective it is important).
>
> Unfortunately, due to a mix of different legislations in the
> system of ICANN + Registry + Registrar + Registrant
>
> (issues start when they are not in the same jurisdiction)
>
> we might face situation where the information, intended for lawful
> purposes of a LEA of a particular jurisdiction must reach
>
> the local LEA of a Registry (for example), so the only current way
> is Interpol.
>
> The local LEA has powers granted by local laws, so it is already
> fixed and is not in our remit.
>
> So the requests from LEA should go directly , and not via
> associations.
>
> One of the reasons - is identification of the requestor, is should
> be done in case of disclosure of sensitive information.
>
> P.s: granting requested access would be equal to free not
> authorised access to RDS.
>
> The same we see now in CZDS (anyone can pretend to be a student
> and request zone files).
>
> Sincerely Yours,
>
> Maxim Alzoba
> Special projects manager,
> International Relations Department,
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> On Mar 3, 2017, at 16:07, Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net
> <mailto:sam at lanfranco.net>> wrote:
>
> Within the terrain of the Internet ecosystem the International
> Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) is, in the simplest
> terms, yet another constituency group, not formally attached
> to ICANN, with an interest in a particular part of the DNS
> system, that being access to information that assists them in
> their work. There is however a slight difference in that their
> members are within law enforcement agencies (LEAs) with legal
> means to access DNS data. I would suggest that both of those
> points be kept in mind as the PDP moves forward with RDS.
>
> I would take them to be saying two things, again in simple terms.
>
> * First, please collect some data that would be particularly
> useful to us in our necessary work in the public interest.
> * Second (our task here) what of that data should be
> publicly available, and what of that data should be gated
> and accessible through the normal LEA request channels.
>
> Is there more to it than that?
>
> Sam Lanfranco (NPOC)
>
> On 3/2/2017 7:54 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>
> I didn't discount their opinion. I simply noted that we
> will need their help to give them what they want if we
> don't give the world full public access like they seem to
> be requesting. That option is still on the table but how
> likely do you think that is?
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kiran Malancharuvil
> [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com]
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:44 PM
>
> To: Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com>
> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>
> Cc: m.alzoba at gmail.com <mailto:m.alzoba at gmail.com>;
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
> law enforcement association resolution regarding domain
> registration data
>
> Why are their opinions being discounted then?
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
>
> Policy Counselor
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> MarkMonitor
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> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Gomes, Chuck
> <cgomes at verisign.com> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>
> Sure just like SGs, Constituencies, Advisory Groups,
> companies, etc., but they need to have representatives
> who are members. I don't understand why you are
> asking the question, i.e, what am I missing.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kiran Malancharuvil
> [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com]
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 3:47 PM
>
> To: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba at gmail.com>
> <mailto:m.alzoba at gmail.com>; Gomes, Chuck
>
> <cgomes at verisign.com> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>
> Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
> international law
>
> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
> registration data
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Am I missing something? Are associations not welcome
> to participate in the group?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kiran
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
>
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf
> Of Maxim Alzoba
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 12:36 PM
>
> To: Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com>
> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>
> Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
> enforcement
>
> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> Hello Chuck,
>
> with all due respect,
>
> it is not Interpol, which may pass requests between
> two jurisdictions, but a professional association, and
> there is a great difference between those two.
>
> (it is not an IGO).
>
> Sincerely Yours,
>
> Maxim Alzoba
>
> Special projects manager,
>
> International Relations Department,
>
> FAITID
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>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 22:54, Gomes, Chuck
> <cgomes at verisign.com> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg. In case we recommend gated access, I
> hope they will cooperate in making that possible.
>
> Chuck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Greg Aaron
> <gca at icginc.com> <mailto:gca at icginc.com> wrote:
>
> The International Association of Chiefs of
> Police (IACP) has issued an official
> resolution regarding domain name registration
> data.
>
> The resolution requests that ICANN and related
> parties provide "continued access to publicly
> available databases concerning the allocation
> of Internet resources, and in situations where
> the maintenance of these databases may
> conflict with privacy regulation, business
> concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts,
> fully consult with the International law
> enforcement to assist in the resolution of
> these potential conflicts before removing or
> restricting law enforcement access to this
> critical information; and... that IACP
> membership coordinate the above efforts to
> achieve the goal of providing consistent,
> equal, and uniform access to the
> above-referenced resources for all of the
> international law enforcement community."
>
> Founded in 1893, the IACP (http://www.iacp.org
> <http://www.iacp.org/><http://www.iacp.org>
> <http://www.iacp.org/>) is the professional
> association for law enforcement officers, with
> members in 133 countries worldwide, primarily
> leadership-level personnel in national,
> state/provincial, and local agencies. "The
> Association's goals are to advance the science
> and art of police services; to develop and
> disseminate improved administrative, technical
> and operational practices and promote their
> use in police work; to foster police
> cooperation and the exchange of information
> and experience among police administrators
> throughout the world....and to encourage
> adherence of all police officers to high
> professional standards of performance and
> conduct."
>
> The text of the full resolution is below and
> contains the rationales. It notes that loss
> of access to the currently available data
> "would severely cripple or eliminate the
> ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct
> investigation in a timely manner."
>
> The document is attached, and also at:
>
> http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions
>
> I kindly request that this be added to our
> bank of reference
>
> materials. (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)
>
> Support for Law Enforcement Access to Publicly
> Available and
>
> Accurate Internet Address Registration Data to
> include privacy
>
> protected registrant information and related
> Forensic Resources to
>
> facilitate investigation of Cybercrime and
> Cyber Enabled Crime Submitted by:
>
> Communications and Technology Committee
>
> CTC.06.t16
>
> WHEREAS, this is an updated version of an
> expired 2005 adopted
>
> resolution then submitted by the
> Communications and Technology
>
> Committee as CT23.a05 and adopted at the 112th
> Annual Conference;
>
> and WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of
> Internet communications is
>
> one of the most valuable tools available to
> law enforcement in
>
> identifying both the perpetrators and victims
> of crime; and WHEREAS,
>
> the Internet is global in nature, and as such,
> poses challenges when
>
> conducting multiagency international
> investigations, including
>
> delays imposed when obtaining international
> legal process; and
>
> WHEREAS, electronic or digital evidence
> associated with the Internet
>
> is fleeting in nature, and law enforcement
> officials must obtain timely access to this
> information to fulfill law enforcement duties;
> and WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity and
> international nature of the Internet, and the
> fleeting nature of electronic or digital
> evidence, to thwart law enforcement
> investigations; and WHEREAS, publicly
> available databases containing information
> involving the allocation of Internet resources
> and who they are assigned to, such as Internet
> Protocol address space and domain names, are a
> critical tool used by law enforcement, and
> because these databases are public in nature,
> allow law enforcement agencies access to
> conduct investigations in the most timely
> manner possible; and WHERAS, allocation of
> Internet resources is expanding rapidly due to
> impending exhaustion of Internet Protocol
> Version 4 address space and the subsequent and
> simultaneous implementation of Internet
> Protocol Version 6 as well as the
> implementation of numerous new top le
>
> vel domains by the Internet Corporation for the Assigned
> Names and Numbers (ICANN), accurate and easily accessible
> registrant information is now even more important to law
> enforcement than in 2005 when the original resolution was
> adopted; and WHEREAS, ICANN and its International members
> involved in the creation of policy consensus and
> administration of this information currently are
> considering new registrant data policy which may seek to
> restrict or eliminate fluid public access due to business,
> privacy, or data-mining concerns; and WHEREAS, the
> elimination or restriction of easy fluid access to this
> information would severely cripple or eliminate the
> ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct
> investigation in a timely manner; now therefore be it
> RESOLVED, that the International Association of Chiefs of
> Police (IACP) strongly urges the related Internet
> administration communities, including governments,
> regional Internet registries, the Internet Corporation for
> Assigned
>
> Names and Numbers, Internet Service Providers,
> domain-name registries, domain-name registrars, and
> Internet service providers to assist law enforcement by
> providing continued access to publicly available databases
> concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in
> situations where the maintenance of these databases may
> conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or
> data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the
> International law enforcement to assist in the resolution
> of these potential conflicts before removing or
> restricting law enforcement access to this critical
> information; and be it FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP
> membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve the
> goal of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access to
> the above-referenced resources for all of the
> international law enforcement community.
>
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