[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Tue Mar 7 16:32:36 UTC 2017
>
>> Really? Having an interest in providing a legitimate service makes us
>> accessories to whatever people do online now?
>
> No, it means you have economic interests that may color your policy
> decisions.
If we look at the economic interest, we'd rather have no domains
involved in any shady business. The cost of dealing with compliance,
complaints and reports revolving around such domains greatly surpasses
the bottom line from the registration of such domain names.
We see such domain registrations as cost factor, not as benefit.
So the economic incentive to support such registrations is less than zero.
>>>
>>>> Or would anyone in his right mind consider a Breitbart news article
>>>> or a Trump tweet as similarly trustworthy, significant and helpful
>>>> as they would a researched and vetted WSJ article?
>>>>
>>> No one cares about your inane political viewpoints. Stop injecting
>>> them into this discussion.
>> Directly to the ad-hominem attack. Stop injecting those into this
>> discussion. I made a valid point that there is value in
>> differentiating between the original definition of fake news and
>> actual fact-based news.
>
> It's not an ad hominem attack (look up what it means). You keep bring
> up snide Breitbart and Trump swipes. That's not why we are here. Stop
> it.
They are the best current examples of influencing thepublic opinion with
lies and misdirection, so I won't.
Calling my viewpoints inane is very much an attack directed at me
personally.
>
>>>
>>>> I also have not seen much issue with legitimate investigative use
>>>> cases. If law enforcement in the pursuit of their duty has a legal
>>>> right to access the data, they will in all likelyhood still be able
>>>> to get at that data, and I support that in general. Admittedly,
>>>> under such a regime, private organizations with no formal law
>>>> enforcement powers would have a harder time, and that is something
>>>> we should look at once we reach that part of the deliberation. I
>>>> personally think that finding the exact "line in the sand" of who
>>>> gets what how will be a daunting task, but worthwhile.
>>>>
>>> Many disagree with this premise that there is such a need to decide
>>> who gets what and that this group should be the one making that
>>> decision if so.
>> If you look at the EWG recommendations that form the basis for our
>> PDP, you will find these questions at the basis of what our group is
>> tasked to discuss. You may want to have a look at our WG charter
>> documents.
> And what does that have to do with people disagreeing with the
> premise? Yes, I acknowledge there are other points of view.
I completely agree that the outcome of this PDP will be that there
should not be an RDS with gated access. But this group _is_ the entity
tasked with making the recommendation to the GNSO and the board on
exactly that question.
>> Nonetheless valid as they touch upon the same legal question. Who
>> should have access to what information and under which requirements.
>> If you want a closer comparison, look at what law enforcement has to
>> do to get the basically identical, but non-public customer data from
>> a hosting company.
>>
> I think we have yet to define what non-public data is in this case.
> Also relevant is that the nature of how computer crimes are
> investigated and dealt with is materially different from traffic tickets.
Ultimately, the investigating entities have to look for the relevant
data in a database. Whois is public, car registration databases are not.
Another example of public data vs. non-public data can be seen as
Michele mentioned by comparing the whois output for a gTLD domain and a
ccTLD domain. As we all know gTLD, I'll only reference a ccTLD:
https://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=greimann.uk#whois-results
As you can see there is exactly two personal data points that ware made
public: My name and my entity status. And if I wanted to, I could even
have those hidden under Nominet-sponsored privacy policies.
Yet somehow, mysteriously, cybercrime under .uk domain names is
investigated and cracked down on....
>>>
>> I take offense at this attempt to characterize my argument in this
>> manner. This comment is so far out of bounds, it does not deserve a
>> response other than: registrants provide data to us for provision in
>> the whois that we cannot check and have to take at face value unless
>> we are informed differently. We are not aiding and abetting criminal
>> activity or allowing customers to violate our or ICANNs policy. If
>> informed of such violations, we will take appropriate action.
>>
> You have documented clearly that you ignore ICANN's policies and
> likely your own. Take offense all you want but you have put in
> writing your own willingness to ignore your own legal agreements.
Evidence? Or just tweet-level accusation?
> So you are aiding and abetting criminal activity or violations that
> you know about by not taking action?
> No, we're taking more effective action. I've helped put people in
> jail... you just cash the criminals checks.
To pay for the costs they cause us. If we could filter them out at the
start, we would.
>>> Now I see why it persists, because anything that doesn't victimize
>>> you is "victimless".
>> If a private individual uses a domain name for a legitimate purpose
>> but does not want to reveal his personal information and choses to
>> violate our policies and risk suspension, where is the victim? Other
>> than the registrar who has to use resources to convince him to update
>> or else?
> We aren't talking about legitimate uses now, are we? Do you make any
> attempt to verify legitimate versus illegitimate users when you let
> them use fake data? Or do you just say "it's too hard" and just cash
> the checks?
You seem to be implying that there is a magic stick out there somewhere
that registrars have access to but are refusing to use that would
magically allow us to differentiate legitimate customers and criminals?
Well, I hate to break your bubble, but that does not exist. Just as you
do not know if someone is buying a gun to defend himself, to hunt or to
commit a crime.
>>> This conversation is starting to feel like having a debate with
>>> tobacco lobbyists on whether cigarettes cause cancer. Breitbart
>>> level credibility indeed.
>> Registering domain names causes crimes now? What are you advocating
>> here? Banning domain name registrations?
>
> No, they are used in crimes. Are you new to the Internet?
All of them? Guns are used in crimes, cars are used in crimes. Anything
is used in crimes. What is your point?
>>> u
>>> j
>>
>> v
>>
>>>
>>>> Am 07.03.2017 um 02:35 schrieb allison nixon:
>>>>> The level of resistance here against investigative use cases is
>>>>> very interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> People claim to care about privacy and then attempt to shut down a
>>>>> major aspect of combating cybercrime, which is a bigger violator
>>>>> of privacy than all the whois spam put together and multiplied by
>>>>> a million.
>>>>>
>>>>> To see an individual person denouncing an organization of many
>>>>> people as somehow not legitimate enough to participate, while
>>>>> oneself participates- that's also interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Claims that WHOIS data is sensitive and accurate PII despite
>>>>> common use of trash data and WHOIS privacy, also interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something does not add up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Patrick Lenihan via
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 Stephanie; as a former USA law enforcement officer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
>>>>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:36 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement
>>>>> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>>>>>
>>>>> I hesitate to even venture a comment on this topic, lest it
>>>>> generate another 20 comments, but I am very puzzled about this
>>>>> whole discussion. I am admittedly much more familiar with the
>>>>> Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, a lobby
>>>>> group/professional association which is remarkably similar to
>>>>> this organization, only on a national level. OF course any of
>>>>> the police lobby associations are free to join us, but is
>>>>> anyone suggesting that we do not have adequate representation
>>>>> of law enforcement interests at ICANN? Do we not have several
>>>>> representatives of police agencies on this working group? Law
>>>>> enforcement organizations regularly form part of GAC
>>>>> delegations, certainly our RCMP are often part of the Canadian
>>>>> delegation to the GAC. Law enforcement officials have formed a
>>>>> public safety working group.....any of these representatives
>>>>> are presumably capable of drafting papers for their national
>>>>> organizations and indeed I suspect someone has drafted this
>>>>> document for the International Association, given the
>>>>> specificity of the resolutions. I am sure many national
>>>>> associations will endorse it and bring it to their own
>>>>> national governments, who in turn will forward it to their GAC
>>>>> delegations.
>>>>> Police organizations regularly lobby for legislative change to
>>>>> facilitate their work. (it is nevertheless interesting that
>>>>> this international organization has a link for contacting your
>>>>> congressman, http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/
>>>>> <http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/> right under the drop down
>>>>> menu for what we do). It is not surprising that they have
>>>>> prepared a resolution on WHOIS, those of us who have followed
>>>>> the impact of technology on police work have seen many similar
>>>>> resolutions on different issues. Police face problems of time
>>>>> and expense, not to mention constitutional protection.
>>>>> However, It is not like law enforcement has not had its views
>>>>> very well represented at ICANN over many years. Given, as
>>>>> Michele has pointed out, that the bar for membership on this
>>>>> working group is exceedingly low (show up) it seems to me the
>>>>> issue we need to worry about is, who does not have the time
>>>>> and money to show up.
>>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>> On 2017-03-05 10:57, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> That seems a lot saner and more scalable.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Michele
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>> http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>> http://blacknight.blog /
>>>>> http://ceo.hosting/
>>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <tel:+353%2059%20918%203072>
>>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 <tel:+353%2059%20918%203090>
>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
>>>>> Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>> *From: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>> *Date: *Sunday 5 March 2017 at 15:56
>>>>> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
>>>>> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>, "icann at ferdeline.com"
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>> registration data
>>>>> I’m concerned that this could turn into an unending
>>>>> administrative workload for staff and would like them to
>>>>> focus their time in helping us do our deliberations. I am
>>>>> now sorry I made the suggestion.
>>>>> Marika has made a good suggestion on the leadership list
>>>>> that we encourage all members to send our latest WG update
>>>>> to any organizations that may have a stake in what we are
>>>>> doing and invite them to join as members or observers.
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> *From:*Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>>> [mailto:michele at blacknight.com]
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:12 AM
>>>>> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>; Gomes, Chuck
>>>>> <cgomes at verisign.com> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>> *Cc:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
>>>>> law enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>> registration data
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>> If you supply the names and contact details for
>>>>> organisations who you think should be invited to
>>>>> contribute in some form then I’m sure that we can deal
>>>>> with it.
>>>>> However so far you haven’t.
>>>>> As others have pointed out, the ICANN processes are open
>>>>> to everyone. The barrier to entry is incredibly low. All
>>>>> you need to do is turn up.
>>>>> Input is always welcome and encouraged.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Michele
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>> http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>> http://blacknight.blog /
>>>>> http://ceo.hosting/
>>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <tel:+353%2059%20918%203072>
>>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 <tel:+353%2059%20918%203090>
>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
>>>>> Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of
>>>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>> *Date: *Saturday 4 March 2017 at 19:44
>>>>> *To: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com
>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
>>>>> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>> registration data
>>>>> If the invitation to this association will be going out on
>>>>> ICANN letterhead and facilitated by ICANN staff, I
>>>>> consider it only fair that other invitations be sent out
>>>>> in the same manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>> registration data
>>>>> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:40 PM
>>>>> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:40
>>>>> From: cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>> To: icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
>>>>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>,
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>> I suggest you invite them Ayden. If you are bothered
>>>>> by the fact that I asked staff to contact the
>>>>> association I will cancel my request of staff and
>>>>> encourage others to do that.
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> *From:*Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann at ferdeline.com]
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com
>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
>>>>> *Cc:* gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>;
>>>>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>;
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>> international law enforcement association resolution
>>>>> regarding domain registration data
>>>>> If we are going to send an invite letter to this
>>>>> organisation requesting their participation, I am
>>>>> happy to provide a list of other organisations whose
>>>>> voices are missing from this WG so that ICANN staff
>>>>> can invite them to participate as well. Thanks.
>>>>> - Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding
>>>>> domain registration data
>>>>> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:10 PM
>>>>> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:10
>>>>> From: cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>> To: gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
>>>>> icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>,
>>>>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>> Very well said Greg.
>>>>> It seems to me that we should reach out to them
>>>>> and invite them to have a representative or
>>>>> representatives join our WG.
>>>>> Marika/Lisa – Would one of you please prepare an
>>>>> invitation letter and identify who and where we
>>>>> should send it.
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
>>>>> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 11:13 AM
>>>>> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>; Volker Greimann
>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>>>>> *Cc:* RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>> international law enforcement association
>>>>> resolution regarding domain registration data
>>>>>
>>>>> "They can ask for anything they like, it is
>>>>> not like it has legal binding status. It is a
>>>>> wish list, nothing more..."
>>>>>
>>>>> This is no different than any other stakeholder
>>>>> (or group of stakeholders). Even GAC members. So
>>>>> their input should be accepted on an equal footing
>>>>> with any other input. There seems to be a curious
>>>>> amount of effort devoted to discounting this
>>>>> input, much of it based on identity (or opinions
>>>>> about that identity) rather than substance.
>>>>> On top of giving due consideration to their input,
>>>>> it may also be appropriate to engage in outreach
>>>>> and engagement with this organization.
>>>>> Participation in the multistakeholder process
>>>>> would be more useful in the long run vs. issuing
>>>>> resolutions. Useful for them, useful for all of
>>>>> us, and useful for the process.
>>>>> As an INGO of LE professionals, there may be no
>>>>> existing SO/AC that would be an appropriate "home"
>>>>> for the IOCP, which makes it all the more
>>>>> important that they understand they are welcome to
>>>>> participate, as well as to communicate in other
>>>>> ways (such as resolutions).
>>>>> Greg
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:54 AM Ayden Férdeline
>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 Volker
>>>>> - Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>> international law enforcement association
>>>>> resolution regarding domain registration data
>>>>>
>>>>> Local Time: 3 March 2017 9:21 AM
>>>>> UTC Time: 3 March 2017 09:21
>>>>> From: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> Good thing that police are law
>>>>> "enforcement" not legislators. They can
>>>>> ask for anything they like, it is not like
>>>>> it has legal binding status. It is a wish
>>>>> list, nothing more...
>>>>> Am 02.03.2017 um 19:35 schrieb Greg Aaron:
>>>>>
>>>>> The International Association of
>>>>> Chiefs of Police (IACP) has issued an
>>>>> official resolution regarding domain
>>>>> name registration data.
>>>>> The resolution requests that ICANN and
>>>>> related parties provide “continued
>>>>> access to publicly available databases
>>>>> concerning the allocation of Internet
>>>>> resources, and in situations where the
>>>>> maintenance of these databases may
>>>>> conflict with privacy regulation,
>>>>> business concerns, or data-mining
>>>>> prevention efforts, fully consult with
>>>>> the International law enforcement to
>>>>> assist in the resolution of these
>>>>> potential conflicts before removing or
>>>>> restricting law enforcement access to
>>>>> this critical information; and… that
>>>>> IACP membership coordinate the above
>>>>> efforts to achieve the goal of
>>>>> providing consistent, equal, and
>>>>> uniform access to the above-referenced
>>>>> resources for all of the international
>>>>> law enforcement community.”
>>>>> Founded in 1893, the IACP
>>>>> (www.iacp.org <http://www.iacp.org>)
>>>>> is the professional association for
>>>>> law enforcement officers, with members
>>>>> in 133 countries worldwide, primarily
>>>>> leadership-level personnel in
>>>>> national, state/provincial, and local
>>>>> agencies. "The Association's goals are
>>>>> to advance the science and art of
>>>>> police services; to develop and
>>>>> disseminate improved administrative,
>>>>> technical and operational practices
>>>>> and promote their use in police work;
>>>>> to foster police cooperation and the
>>>>> exchange of information and experience
>>>>> among police administrators throughout
>>>>> the world....and to encourage
>>>>> adherence of all police officers to
>>>>> high professional standards of
>>>>> performance and conduct."
>>>>> The text of the full resolution is
>>>>> below and contains the rationales. It
>>>>> notes that loss of access to the
>>>>> currently available data “would
>>>>> severely cripple or eliminate the
>>>>> ability of law enforcement agencies to
>>>>> conduct investigation in a timely manner.”
>>>>> The document is attached, and also at:
>>>>> http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions
>>>>> <http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions>
>>>>> I kindly request that this be added to
>>>>> our bank of reference materials.
>>>>> (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)
>>>>> Support for Law Enforcement Access to
>>>>> Publicly Available and Accurate
>>>>> Internet Address Registration Data to
>>>>> include privacy protected registrant
>>>>> information and related Forensic
>>>>> Resources to facilitate investigation
>>>>> of Cybercrime and Cyber Enabled Crime
>>>>> Submitted by: Communications and
>>>>> Technology Committee
>>>>> CTC.06.t16
>>>>> WHEREAS, this is an updated version of
>>>>> an expired 2005 adopted resolution
>>>>> then submitted by the Communications
>>>>> and Technology Committee as CT23.a05
>>>>> and adopted at the 112th Annual
>>>>> Conference; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of
>>>>> Internet communications is one of the
>>>>> most valuable tools available to law
>>>>> enforcement in identifying both the
>>>>> perpetrators and victims of crime; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, the Internet is global in
>>>>> nature, and as such, poses challenges
>>>>> when conducting multiagency
>>>>> international investigations,
>>>>> including delays imposed when
>>>>> obtaining international legal process; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, electronic or digital
>>>>> evidence associated with the Internet
>>>>> is fleeting in nature, and law
>>>>> enforcement officials must obtain
>>>>> timely access to this information to
>>>>> fulfill law enforcement duties; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity
>>>>> and international nature of the
>>>>> Internet, and the fleeting nature of
>>>>> electronic or digital evidence, to
>>>>> thwart law enforcement investigations; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, publicly available databases
>>>>> containing information involving the
>>>>> allocation of Internet resources and
>>>>> who they are assigned to, such as
>>>>> Internet Protocol address space and
>>>>> domain names, are a critical tool used
>>>>> by law enforcement, and because these
>>>>> databases are public in nature, allow
>>>>> law enforcement agencies access to
>>>>> conduct investigations in the most
>>>>> timely manner possible; and
>>>>> WHERAS, allocation of Internet
>>>>> resources is expanding rapidly due to
>>>>> impending exhaustion of Internet
>>>>> Protocol Version 4 address space and
>>>>> the subsequent and simultaneous
>>>>> implementation of Internet Protocol
>>>>> Version 6 as well as the
>>>>> implementation of numerous new top
>>>>> level domains by the Internet
>>>>> Corporation for the Assigned Names and
>>>>> Numbers (ICANN), accurate and easily
>>>>> accessible registrant information is
>>>>> now even more important to law
>>>>> enforcement than in 2005 when the
>>>>> original resolution was adopted; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, ICANN and its International
>>>>> members involved in the creation of
>>>>> policy consensus and administration of
>>>>> this information currently are
>>>>> considering new registrant data policy
>>>>> which may seek to restrict or
>>>>> eliminate fluid public access due to
>>>>> business, privacy, or data-mining
>>>>> concerns; and
>>>>> WHEREAS, the elimination or
>>>>> restriction of easy fluid access to
>>>>> this information would severely
>>>>> cripple or eliminate the ability of
>>>>> law enforcement agencies to conduct
>>>>> investigation in a timely manner; now
>>>>> therefore be it
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the International
>>>>> Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP)
>>>>> strongly urges the related Internet
>>>>> administration communities, including
>>>>> governments, regional Internet
>>>>> registries, the Internet Corporation
>>>>> for Assigned Names and Numbers,
>>>>> Internet Service Providers,
>>>>> domain-name registries, domain-name
>>>>> registrars, and Internet service
>>>>> providers to assist law enforcement by
>>>>> providing continued access to publicly
>>>>> available databases concerning the
>>>>> allocation of Internet resources, and
>>>>> in situations where the maintenance of
>>>>> these databases may conflict with
>>>>> privacy regulation, business concerns,
>>>>> or data-mining prevention efforts,
>>>>> fully consult with the International
>>>>> law enforcement to assist in the
>>>>> resolution of these potential
>>>>> conflicts before removing or
>>>>> restricting law enforcement access to
>>>>> this critical information; and be it
>>>>> FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP
>>>>> membership coordinate the above
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>>>>
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>>>
>>>> Volker A. Greimann
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>>>>
>>>> Key-Systems GmbH
>>>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>>>> 66386 St. Ingbert
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - Rechtsabteilung -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
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>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> Best regards,
>>
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>> - legal department -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
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>>
>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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>>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
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