[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Notes from RDS PDP WG Meeting - 28 March
Lisa Phifer
lisa at corecom.com
Tue Mar 28 19:01:41 UTC 2017
Dear all,
Below please find notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting.
To recap action items:
. Action: All WG members to review
<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/2017-March/002703.html> 27
March email about WG Principles, GNSO
<http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf> WG
Participation Guidelines, and this WG's
<https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter> Charter.
. Action: Staff to implement poll on proposed agreements listed
above. All WG members are encouraged to respond to poll no later than COB
Saturday 1 April.
. Action: WG members invited to propose a definition of
"authoritative" to the WG list to assist in reaching closure on this
purpose. (See above notes for suggested starting points.)
. Action: Volunteers Vicky Sheckler, Alex Deacon, Theo Geurts,
Nathalie Coupet, Stephanie Perrin to work with Susan Kawaguchi (leadership
team coordinator) to draft questions for ccTLDs as described above, for
review by full WG.
. Action: Staff to add thin/thick distinction to work plan to serve
as clear indication of tasks to be completed prior to first initial report:
<https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw> https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw
. Action: Staff to distribute email summarizing steps taken to
address "priority message" request.
This week's poll link will be distributed separately but will be reachable
from <http://tinyurl.com/ng-rds> http://tinyurl.com/ng-rds (closes COB 1
April).
Best regards,
Lisa
Notes RDS PDP WG Meeting - 28 March 2017:
These high-level notes are designed to help PDP WG members navigate through
the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript
and/or recording. The MP3, transcript, and chat are provided separately and
are posted on the wiki here: <https://community.icann.org/x/pLzRAw>
https://community.icann.org/x/pLzRAw
1. Roll Call / SOI / WG Expected Standards of Behavior
. Attendance will be taken from AC
. Please remember to state your name before speaking and remember to
mute your microphones when not speaking
. SOI Updates: Maxim Alzoba, Rod Rasmussen
. Remarks from Chair regarding WG Expected Standards of Behavior
. See
<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/2017-March/002703.html> email
from Marika Konings 27 March with WG participation guidelines and links to
expected standards of behavior
. Link to WG guidelines:
<http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf>
http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf
. Link to Charter:
<https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter>
https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter
. Must get past "us vs. them" mentality in order to succeed. All WG
members are asked to try to avoid this - represent viewpoints consistent
with your interests but in a constructive way. Aim for solid understanding
of all viewpoints. For example, data protection laws are new and we are
trying to understand those now, but that is not the only view to be
considered. Try to stay on task and allow incremental progress - jumping
ahead delays progress. Try avoid getting emotional, political statements -
debate is ok but try to be factual. Chair implores all WG members to heed
this guidance.
Action: All WG members to review
<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/2017-March/002703.html> 27
March email about WG Principles, GNSO
<http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf> WG
Participation Guidelines, and this WG's
<https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter> Charter, including
guidelines for WG decision-making.
2) Review 15 March Poll on Purpose results:
. See
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/SummaryResults-Po
ll-on-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1490591481000&
api=v2> SummaryResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.pdf
. 25 participants
. Staff to reconfirm all participant responses are included. One WG
member may be missing but intended to disagree with all.
Q2: 68% agreed to rewording "1) A purpose of gTLD registration data is to
provide information about the lifecycle of a domain name and its resolution
on the Internet."
. Is domain name resolution part of a DN registration lifecycle or a
DN lifecycle?
. Staff is working to update previous graphic definition of gTLD DN
lifecycle. Noted that WG needs definition to support this specific purpose.
. Separate out "A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide
information about resolution of a domain name on the Internet." from
specific purpose 1) -- or is this the purpose of DNS not RDS?
. Alternative: "A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide
information useful in trouble-shooting problems in resolution of a domain
name on the Internet."
. There is information in the RDS that tells you whether a DN ought
to resolve (e.g., status).
. Hold discussion of "thin" v "thick" until we review Andrew's
proposal.
. Reminder: This is only "a" purpose. Not "the" purpose.
Proposed Agreements (to be confirmed by polling):
"1) A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information about the
lifecycle of a domain name."
"N) A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information useful in
trouble-shooting problems in resolution of a domain name on the Internet."
Q3: 84% agreed to rewording "2) A purpose of RDS is to facilitate
dissemination of authoritatively-sourced gTLD registration data, such as
domain names and their domain contacts and name servers, in accordance with
applicable policy."
. "Dissemination" is not intended to imply public display or gating
. Is exact wording important at this stage, or can these be refined
as we move forward. Look at these as principles; do we agree in spirit if
not on precise wording of each purpose?
. Note that there was 50% support for a version of this purpose
without "authoritative" - have we lost that in polling on this revision?
Yes, this proposed rewording reflects discussion on authoritativeness at
ICANN58. Should authoritativeness be separated out or placed in brackets -
this difference of opinion does need to be dealt with, is now the time? Is
authoritative data a requirement?
. The term "authoritative" is often used in Registry Registrar
Agreement (RRA) to cite which data is authoritative when there is a conflict
beetween Registrar and Registry databases. This is a important definition
which has real world implications.
. Definition used in the Thick WHOIS final report: "Authoritative,
with respect to provision of Whois services, shall be interpreted as to
signify the single database within a hierarchical database structure holding
the data that is assumed to be the final authority regarding the question of
which record shall be considered accurate and reliable in case of
conflicting records; administered by a single administrative [agent] and
consisting of data provided by the registrants of record through their
registrars." A proposed shorter version is "the data set to be relied upon
in case of doubt". Definition may not be broadly applicable and so may not
be best definition for this WG to use for RDS.
Proposed Agreement (3 alternatives, to be determined by polling):
Poll on three versions of specific purpose 2): with "authoritatively
sourced" in brackets, without brackets, and without "authoritatively
sourced"
Action: WG members invited to propose a definition of "authoritative" to the
WG list to assist in reaching closure on this purpose. (See above notes for
suggested starting points.)
Q3: 71% agreed to rewording "5) A purpose of RDS policy is to facilitate
fulfilling requirements for the accuracy of gTLD registration data."
. Is original version clearer and closer the WG's discussion on this
point?
. What is the role of RDS in accuracy? To facilitate accuracy? To
facilitate fulfilling accuracy requirements?
. From chat: If accuracy is going to be a requirement of registration
data, SOMETHING has to enable enforcing it. It makes sense some of this
should be built-in to RDS, but that need not be only place. For instance,
something to flag the various domains rigestered with phone numbers of 000
000 0000 etc.
. Difficulty may lie in discussing "accuracy" before defining
accuracy requirements.
. Should we footnote the term for later definition? Proposed
footnote: "Accuracy" as it pertains to the RDS will be defined later in this
PDP.
Proposed Agreement (to be confirmed by polling):
Existing text (not revised text in Q3) with a footnote: "Accuracy" as it
pertains to the RDS will be defined later in this PDP (see Charter question
on Accuracy).
Action: Staff to implement poll on proposed agreements listed above. All WG
members are encouraged to respond to poll no later than COB Saturday 1
April.
3) Form a subgroup to draft questions for ccTLDs
. On-list interest expressed in working on questions for ccTLDs to
learn what they are doing on their Purpose Statements to comply with GDPR.
. Volunteers have come forward to work on this; is it time to do this
now or wait until ccTLDs have gotten further along?
. Can they already give us basic outlines when it comes to current
directive?
Action: Volunteers Vicky Sheckler, Alex Deacon, Theo Geurts, Nathalie
Coupet, Stephanie Perrin to work with Susan Kawaguchi (leadership team
coordinator) to draft questions for ccTLDs as described above, for review by
full WG.
4) Work plan & target for this WG's first initial draft report
. We are at a point where we need to try to speed up our progress;
GNSO Council encouraged us to set a target for our first initial report.
. Our work plan calls for two initial reports: first deals with 5
fundamental questions and initial answer to question of whether a new RDS is
needed.
. By ICANN60, could we be ready to start drafting our first initial
report?
Action: Staff to add thin/thick distinction to work plan to serve as clear
indication of tasks to be completed prior to first initial report:
<https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw> https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw
5) Request feedback on creating a separate "priority messages" list
. Email messages containing notes and poll invitations are assigned
priority and contain a keyword in the Subject line for filtering.
. Action items and proposed agreements are being copied into the mail
message above the notes themselves.
. At this point, have not created a separate mailing list for notes
and poll invitations as doing so may add complexity for WG members. Feedback
invited.
Action: Staff to distribute email summarizing steps taken to address
"priority message" request.
6) Andrew Sullivan's proposed approach to define purposes for each data
element:
. See
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/Sullivan-Suggesti
onForPurposeInDetail.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1490583766000&api=v2>
Sullivan-SuggestionForPurposeInDetail.pdf
. Deferred to next week's call
7) Confirm action items and proposed decision points
. Proposed Agreements (to be confirmed by polling):
"1) A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information about the
lifecycle of a domain name."
"N) A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information useful in
trouble-shooting problems in resolution of a domain name on the Internet."
.
. Proposed Agreement (3 alternatives, to be determined by polling):
Poll on three versions of specific purpose 2): with "authoritatively
sourced" in brackets, without brackets, and without "authoritatively
sourced"
.
. Proposed Agreement (to be confirmed by polling):Existing text (not
revised text in Q3) with a footnote: "Accuracy" as it pertains to the RDS
will be defined later in this PDP (see Charter question on Accuracy).
.
. Action: All WG members to review
<http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/2017-March/002703.html> 27
March email about WG Principles, GNSO
<http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf> WG
Participation Guidelines, and this WG's
<https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter> Charter.
. Action: Staff to implement poll on proposed agreements listed
above. All WG members are encouraged to respond to poll no later than COB
Saturday 1 April.
. Action: WG members invited to propose a definition of
"authoritative" to the WG list to assist in reaching closure on this
purpose. (See above notes for suggested starting points.)
. Action: Volunteers Vicky Sheckler, Alex Deacon, Theo Geurts,
Nathalie Coupet, Stephanie Perrin to work with Susan Kawaguchi (leadership
team coordinator) to draft questions for ccTLDs as described above, for
review by full WG.
. Action: Staff to add thin/thick distinction to work plan to serve
as clear indication of tasks to be completed prior to first initial report:
<https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw> https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw
. Action: Staff to distribute email summarizing steps taken to
address "priority message" request.
<https://community.icann.org/x/oIxlAw>
8) Confirm next meeting date: 4 April, 2017 at 16:00 UTC
Meeting Materials (all posted at <https://community.icann.org/x/pLzRAw>
https://community.icann.org/x/pLzRAw)
.
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/Sullivan-Suggesti
onForPurposeInDetail.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1490583766000&api=v2>
Sullivan-SuggestionForPurposeInDetail.pdf and
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/Sullivan-Suggesti
onForPurposeInDetail.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1490583779000&api=v2>
doc
.
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986791/KeyConceptsDelibe
ration-WorkingDraft-7March2017.pdf?version=3&modificationDate=1489036968927&
api=v2> KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-7March2017.pdf and
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986791/KeyConceptsDelibe
ration-WorkingDraft-7March2017.docx?version=3&modificationDate=1489036982656
&api=v2> doc
. 15MarchCall Poll on Purpose -
. Link to participate: Poll closed on 26 March
. PDF of Poll Questions:
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/Poll-on-Purpose-f
rom-15MarchCall.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1490375019000&api=v2>
Poll-on-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.pdf
. SurveyMonkey PDF of Summary Poll Results:
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/SummaryResults-Po
ll-on-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1490591481000&
api=v2> SummaryResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.pdf
. SurveyMonkey Zip of Poll Raw Results:
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64076964/RawResults-Poll-o
n-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.zip?version=1&modificationDate=1490591581000&api=
v2> RawResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-15MarchCall.zip
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