[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dutch DPA rules public WHOIS data is against the law. EU/NL

[John Bambenek]

My point was more practical than political (aside of the point that when governments talk about privacy, it is rarely if ever privacy from them who historically are the biggest human rights violators). Part of the reason the internet developed the way it has promoting openness and transparency is to be resilient against government abuse. A gated whois with audit trails will inherently allow less friendly governments to profile the activities of those working against them. For instance, I’d rather the Russian government not be aware of what specifically I am looking at while trying to counter their propaganda operations. 

Sometimes the best way to protect privacy is mot to create paper trails in the first place. 

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John Bambenek

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 23:13, Theo Geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl> wrote:
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> Hi John, 
> 
> You are correct, seems the politicians I voted for are shooting for a law that will give the Dutch intelligence agency far-reaching powers. 
> 
> But this is a political process, and as political processes go, it is already opposed by a large majority of the general public here. 
> So we are going to enjoy the debate here in Holland for the next 6 months or so ;)
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Theo 
>> On 29-10-2017 22:51, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>> Counterpoint before we start celebrating the Dutch approach to privacy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1408647
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>> John Bambenek
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>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 04:23, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
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>>> Wow, this is harsh. Nothing unexpected though, as they are basically just telling you what we have repreatedly tried telling folks at ICANN for years.
>>> 
>>> This is why our work is so important. If we do not do it well, Whois will go dark! Not out of malice or because of any nefarious ill will, but out of pure legal necessity.
>>> 
>>> The abuse lobbyists may not like these legal requirements, but we will have to live with them and act accordingly. .Amsterdam did what they did because they had to, not because they felt like it.
>>> 
>>> Volker
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>>>> Am 27.10.2017 um 09:08 schrieb Theo Geurts:
>>>> https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/ap-onafgeschermde-publicatie-van-whois-gegevens-strijd-met-de-wet 
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry, for now Dutch only, but Google translate will help out.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, consent (Art 6.1b) is a no go according to the Dutch DPA. As it is not freely given according to the article.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Theo Geurts
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