[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS - Update from Leadership Team

Thu Oct 11 14:57:52 UTC 2018

Or find an insider willing to carry your torch. And if there is no such 
person, maybe reconsider your torch.

Volker

Am 11.10.2018 um 16:25 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
> “If you don’t like being an outsider, you have to play by our rules 
> and become an insider.”
>
> And yeah, I can write a letter to my legislator. That doesn’t make me 
> a Senator.
>
> -- 
> John Bambenek
>
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight 
> <michele at blacknight.com <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>
>> Again. You are wrong.
>>
>> You, like anyone else, can join any number of ICANN groups.
>> You choose not to.
>>
>> That’s your choice.
>>
>> Now you can try to twist that around so that you can tell people how 
>> you’ve been excluded, but the reality is that you haven’t – you’ve 
>> chosen that path.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michele
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>
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>> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
>>
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>> *From: *John Bambenek <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com 
>> <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>>
>> *Date: *Thursday 11 October 2018 at 14:57
>> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com 
>> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
>> *Cc: *Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>>, RDS PDP 
>> WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS - Update from 
>> Leadership Team
>>
>> “You can convince some insider to carry your concern while they 
>> deliberate in private.”
>>
>> That is exactly my point. You’ve excluded outsiders.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> John Bambenek
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 04:55, Michele Neylon - Blacknight 
>> <michele at blacknight.com <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     John
>>
>>     That isn’t true. Every SO and AC within ICANN has representation.
>>     You and anyone else can channel your concerns via your respective
>>     constituency, stakeholder group or AC.
>>
>>     Also as is normal with any GNSO Working Group the interim report
>>     and final report will be open for public comment.
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Michele
>>
>>     --
>>
>>     Mr Michele Neylon
>>
>>     Blacknight Solutions
>>
>>     Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>
>>     https://www.blacknight.com/
>>
>>     https://blacknight.blog/
>>
>>     Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
>>
>>     Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>
>>     Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ <https://michele.blog/>
>>
>>     Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/>
>>
>>     -------------------------------
>>
>>     Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>>     Park,Sleaty
>>
>>     Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>>
>>     *From: *gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>     <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of John
>>     Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>     <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>     *Reply-To: *John Bambenek <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
>>     <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>>
>>     *Date: *Wednesday 10 October 2018 at 23:50
>>     *To: *Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>>
>>     *Cc: *RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>     <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>     *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS - Update from
>>     Leadership Team
>>
>>     I did take notice that the new EPDP specifically excludes all
>>     outsiders thus ensuring that anyone who actually uses whois will
>>     not be represented.
>>
>>     -- 
>>
>>     John Bambenek
>>
>>
>>     On Oct 10, 2018, at 17:28, Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         The proposed termination document reflects the reality of
>>         what has occurred. I'd like to thank everyone else for their
>>         efforts. I know that we had some disagreements and the
>>         process sometimes was painful.
>>
>>         Michael Hammer
>>
>>         On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:30 AM Anderson, Marc via
>>         gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>         <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             Fellow Next Gen RDS members,
>>
>>             In March of this year the RDS PDP leadership team
>>             canceled working group meetings, effectively putting the
>>             group on hold.  This decision was made because we heard
>>             from ICANN org that it was considering instituting a
>>             temporary policy that would greatly impact our work.  Out
>>             of respect for members’ time it didn’t make sense to
>>             continue deliberations.
>>
>>             Since then, the ICANN board did approve a temporary
>>             specification
>>             (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en).
>>             Subsequent to that, the GNSO council initiated an
>>             expedited PDP on that temporary specification
>>             (https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en).
>>
>>             Given all this, the RDS PDP leadership team feels it
>>             doesn’t make sense for the working group to continue and
>>             is recommending termination.  The GNSO PDP manual allows
>>             for termination by the working group and requires a
>>             written “Termination Summary” delivered to the GNSO
>>             council via the council liaison.  The manual provides
>>             “changing circumstances” as an example of a reason for
>>             termination which this certainly qualifies as.
>>
>>             Attached you will find a proposed “Termination Summary”
>>             for the RDS PDP working group.  The leadership team plans
>>             to deliver by 12 October so the GNSO council can have it
>>             on their agenda for ICANN 63.  Please let the leadership
>>             team know if you have questions or feedback.
>>
>>             Many thanks for your hard work on this project.
>>
>>             Best,
>>             RDS Leadership team
>>
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