[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS - Update from Leadership Team
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Thu Oct 11 15:07:35 UTC 2018
So you are saying there is no one within the ICANN community that shares
your views? And that does not tell you anything?
If you feel underrepresented, start working in the system. If you do not
participate, either directly or indirectly, you ave no chance of being
heard.
Volker
Am 11.10.2018 um 17:02 schrieb John Bambenek:
> Exactly.
>
> You’re right, we’re wrong. Now that we’ve established this a priori,
> why would I join a constituency? To carry your torches?
>
> --
> John Bambenek
>
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:57, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
>> Or find an insider willing to carry your torch. And if there is no
>> such person, maybe reconsider your torch.
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>> Am 11.10.2018 um 16:25 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>>> “If you don’t like being an outsider, you have to play by our rules
>>> and become an insider.”
>>>
>>> And yeah, I can write a letter to my legislator. That doesn’t make
>>> me a Senator.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Bambenek
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 09:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>> <michele at blacknight.com <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Again. You are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> You, like anyone else, can join any number of ICANN groups.
>>>> You choose not to.
>>>>
>>>> That’s your choice.
>>>>
>>>> Now you can try to twist that around so that you can tell people
>>>> how you’ve been excluded, but the reality is that you haven’t –
>>>> you’ve chosen that path.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>
>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> https://www.blacknight.com/
>>>>
>>>> https://blacknight.blog/
>>>>
>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>>>>
>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>
>>>> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
>>>>
>>>> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>>>> Park,Sleaty
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *From: *John Bambenek <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
>>>> <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>>
>>>> *Date: *Thursday 11 October 2018 at 14:57
>>>> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com
>>>> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
>>>> *Cc: *Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>>, RDS
>>>> PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS - Update from
>>>> Leadership Team
>>>>
>>>> “You can convince some insider to carry your concern while they
>>>> deliberate in private.”
>>>>
>>>> That is exactly my point. You’ve excluded outsiders.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 04:55, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>> <michele at blacknight.com <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> That isn’t true. Every SO and AC within ICANN has
>>>> representation. You and anyone else can channel your concerns
>>>> via your respective constituency, stakeholder group or AC.
>>>>
>>>> Also as is normal with any GNSO Working Group the interim
>>>> report and final report will be open for public comment.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>
>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>
>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>
>>>> https://www.blacknight.com/
>>>>
>>>> https://blacknight.blog/
>>>>
>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>>>>
>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>
>>>> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ <https://michele.blog/>
>>>>
>>>> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/>
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>>>> Park,Sleaty
>>>>
>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>
>>>> *From: *gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of John
>>>> Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>> *Reply-To: *John Bambenek <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
>>>> <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>>
>>>> *Date: *Wednesday 10 October 2018 at 23:50
>>>> *To: *Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>>
>>>> *Cc: *RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next Gen RDS - Update from
>>>> Leadership Team
>>>>
>>>> I did take notice that the new EPDP specifically excludes all
>>>> outsiders thus ensuring that anyone who actually uses whois
>>>> will not be represented.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 17:28, Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The proposed termination document reflects the reality of
>>>> what has occurred. I'd like to thank everyone else for
>>>> their efforts. I know that we had some disagreements and
>>>> the process sometimes was painful.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hammer
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:30 AM Anderson, Marc via
>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fellow Next Gen RDS members,
>>>>
>>>> In March of this year the RDS PDP leadership team
>>>> canceled working group meetings, effectively putting
>>>> the group on hold. This decision was made because we
>>>> heard from ICANN org that it was considering
>>>> instituting a temporary policy that would greatly
>>>> impact our work. Out of respect for members’ time it
>>>> didn’t make sense to continue deliberations.
>>>>
>>>> Since then, the ICANN board did approve a temporary
>>>> specification
>>>> (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en).
>>>> Subsequent to that, the GNSO council initiated an
>>>> expedited PDP on that temporary specification
>>>> (https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2018-07-19-en).
>>>>
>>>> Given all this, the RDS PDP leadership team feels it
>>>> doesn’t make sense for the working group to continue
>>>> and is recommending termination. The GNSO PDP manual
>>>> allows for termination by the working group and
>>>> requires a written “Termination Summary” delivered to
>>>> the GNSO council via the council liaison. The manual
>>>> provides “changing circumstances” as an example of a
>>>> reason for termination which this certainly qualifies as.
>>>>
>>>> Attached you will find a proposed “Termination Summary”
>>>> for the RDS PDP working group. The leadership team
>>>> plans to deliver by 12 October so the GNSO council can
>>>> have it on their agenda for ICANN 63. Please let the
>>>> leadership team know if you have questions or feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for your hard work on this project.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> RDS Leadership team
>>>>
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Volker A. Greimann
General Counsel and Policy Manager
KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH
T: +49 6894 9396901
F: +49 6894 9396851
W: www.key-systems.net
Key-systems is a company registered in Germany with Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken: CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registered Offices: Im Oberen Werk 1, DE-66386 St. Ingbert, Germany
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