[GNSO-RPM-WG] [Ext] RE: Update: Sunrise Rec 2 - Input by Thursday 8 Oct 16:00 UTC

Julie Hedlund julie.hedlund at icann.org
Thu Oct 8 20:25:05 UTC 2020

Hi Kathy,

Apologies, but Griffin provided his edits two days ago and the deadline was clearly today at 16:00 UTC.  We’ve received no additional comments and as you know the WG has no time to circle back and revisit issues that have been discussed.

Are you making this suggestion for additional time on behalf of the Co-Chairs, or are you requesting additional time to submit comments as an individual (or on behalf of another WG member)?  Given the time that WG members have had to review Griffin’s comments staff aren’t sure why more time is needed.  Staff further notes, and as Griffin has pointed out, that these edits do not seem to materially change anything in the recommendation or the context.

Thank you for the clarification.

Kind regards,

From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
Reply-To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:14 PM
To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang at icann.org>, Griffin Barnett <Griffin at Winterfeldt.law>, "gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] [Ext] RE: Update: Sunrise Rec 2 - Input by Thursday 8 Oct 16:00 UTC

Hi Ariel and All,
I think it would be fair to give the full WG time to review these edits. There has been an awful lot of emails crossing in our WG, in preparation for ICANN69, and frankly in our day jobs.

Further these edits seem fairly extensive...on a well-discussed and debated recommendation.

I would urge everyone to review.
Best, Kathy

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"Ariel Liang" <ariel.liang at icann.org>

"Griffin Barnett" <Griffin at Winterfeldt.law>, "gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>

Thu, 8 Oct 2020 18:50:07 +0000
Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] [Ext] RE: Update: Sunrise Rec 2 - Input by Thursday 8 Oct 16:00 UTC

Dear WG members,

Thanks very much, Griffin, for the suggested clarifying edits to the contextual language of this Sunrise recommendation.

Since no additional input were received by today’s deadline at 16:00 UTC and no objection noted by any other WG member to Griffin’s suggested edits, staff will adopt them in the contextual language of this recommendation.

Best Regards,
Mary, Julie, Ariel

From: Griffin Barnett <Griffin at Winterfeldt.law>
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 3:02 PM
To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang at icann.org>, "gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] RE: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Update: Sunrise Rec 2 - Input by Thursday 8 Oct 16:00 UTC

Hi all,

Staff - thanks for this updated text.  I would suggest the following further revisions to the second proposed context paragraph, which I intend as clarifying edits rather than to materially alter the substance:

To assist the IRT which that will be formed to implement recommendations adopted by the Board from this PDP, the Working Group tried to reach agreement over on some possible types of specific Registry conduct that could have the effect of intentionally circumventing trademark owners’ use of the Sunrise Period within the meaning of the Registry Agreement provision envisioned in this Recommendation, so as to trigger enforcement action by the contractual compliance department of ICANN org should the Registry Agreement contain a prohibition on such conduct.  As part of its discussion, the Working Group noted that several public comments to the Initial Report had raised the following examples as non-exhaustive illustrations of such conduct (some of which had also been raised by Working Group members):

  *   Withholding or self-allocating domains names that correspond to trademarks recorded in the TMCH with the intent of circumventing the use of the Sunrise Period by trademark owners;
  *   Discriminatory pricing practices clearly designed to leverage effectively prevent the need for reasonable ability of trademark owners to obtain defensive Sunrise registrations by trademark owners for their marks recorded in the TMCH. In this context, “discriminatory pricing practices” could include extremely high pricing during the Sunrise Period of the domains names that correspond to trademarks recorded in the TMCH followed by significantly lower prices for the same domain names during Landrush or General Availability, such as to evidence an intent to targeting trademark owners either specifically, or as a general class of registrants, for the purpose of inhibiting access to Sunrise registrations.

The other edits in the Context section read well to me.

Ultimately, I would have preferred that the above text be included as Implementation Guidance to the Recommendation itself rather as mere context, but in the spirit of compromise and noting the concerns others have raised on this matter, can accept its relocation to Context.

Hope the suggested revisions are nonetheless helpful.

Best regards,



Griffin M. Barnett
Winterfeldt IP Group
1601 K Street NW, Ste 1050
Washington, DC  20006
griffin at winterfeldt.law<mailto:griffin at winterfeldt.law>
+1 202 759 5836

From: GNSO-RPM-WG [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Ariel Liang
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 1:27 PM
To: gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
Subject: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Update: Sunrise Rec 2 - Input by Thursday 8 Oct 16:00 UTC

Dear WG members,

Please find the updated version of Sunrise Recommendation #2 in this google doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SmXWvS9M4TAtQ3gC3o4j9-jHaw3uIlWR_2D3lV2vvTU/edit?usp=sharing [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1SmXWvS9M4TAtQ3gC3o4j9-jHaw3uIlWR_2D3lV2vvTU/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PtGJab4!tM_hUz4f2oLBqCmAhdEZx8vsXja9L_pJYfc5PijTkBx6Hx-JgmQx6UsdAbnlSk59ZPLL680%24>. This update seeks to incorporate the input provided by WG members on the mailing list and during today’s meeting.

Please note that amendments already agreed by the WG today have been accepted. The current redline edits specifically reflect the following:

  *   Move the great majority of the Implementation Guidance text into the “context” section (shown in redline).
  *   Universal change to replace the term “trademark-corresponding domains” with “domains that correspond to trademarks recorded in the TMCH”.
  *   Clarification of the WG discussion about the question regarding whether any *additional* enforcement mechanism to supplement enforcement actions taken by ICANN Compliance (see redline edits in the final paragraph under “Context”).
  *   Other editorial changes suggested by David McAuley on list last Friday.

Please provide your input/suggestion on the mailing list by 16:00 UTC on Thursday, 8 October. The updated language, incorporating any further input from the WG, is expected to be finalized on the coming Thursday.

Thank you,
Mary, Julie, Ariel

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