[gtld-tech] Delegated strings: WHOIS & SLAs...

[Jay Daley]

On 20/11/2013, at 2:46 pm, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br> wrote:

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> gTLDs can’t delegate names with _ due to policy, so you won’t see them. And as _tcp is also a threat vector, I don’t see that changing in the future. 

It's not a delegation, nor is it a registration - are "control" records forbidden to new TLDs?

Jay


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> Rubens
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> On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Jay Daley <jay at nzrs.net.nz> wrote:
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>> In an ideal world they would all be using _nicname._tcp.tld SRV records:
>> 
>> 	jay$ dig +short _nicname._tcp.nz srv
>> 	0 0 43 whois.srs.net.nz.
>> 
>> I've only checked ten and none have it.
>> 
>> Old article here: http://www.circleid.com/posts/whois_server_address_registry/
>> 
>> Jay
>> 
>> On 20/11/2013, at 1:03 pm, Greg Aaron <greg at illumintel.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> FYI, Spec 4: "Registration Data Directory Services. Until ICANN requires a
>>> different protocol, Registry Operator will operate a WHOIS service available
>>> via port 43 in accordance with RFC 3912, and a web-based Directory Service
>>> at <whois.nic.TLD> providing free public query-based access to at least the
>>> following elements in the following format."
>>> 
>>> So web-based MUST be at nic.tld.  But oddly, I don’t see that whois.nic.tld
>>> was required for port 43 service.
>>> 
>>> One would think that if a TLD has a name in the zone, then WHOIS service
>>> would be available. 
>>> 
>>> All best,
>>> --Greg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:29 AM
>>> To: Alexander Mayrhofer
>>> Cc: gtld-tech at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [gtld-tech] Delegated strings: WHOIS & SLAs...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, as whois service is tested prior to delegation, you have to enter
>>> the zone with whois not in the TLD in the first place, and then using an
>>> IANA change request to move it. 
>>> 
>>> ICANN mentioned that the main requirement for standardised whois.nic.<TLD>
>>> is CA-related activities, so they will probably don’t mind not having
>>> whois.nic.<TLD> prior to the 120-days after contract signing where you
>>> cannot delegate anything besides nic.<TLD> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rubens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Alexander Mayrhofer
>>> <alexander.mayrhofer at nic.at> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm using whois.nic.<TLD> - and, yes, nic.<TLD> is properly delegated and
>>> reachable in that case, but "whois.nic.<tld>" returns an NXDOMAIN. My
>>> understanding is that ICANN requires the WHOIS service to be offered under
>>> that hostname...  See the respective specification in the AGB..
>>>> 
>>>> Indeed, the IANA record shows a different server - so, do i understand
>>> correctly that you can actually submit to IANA a different WHOIS server than
>>> the one required by ICANN? Can anyone who's already delegated confirm this?
>>>> 
>>>> Alex
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: Rubens Kuhl [mailto:rubensk at nic.br]
>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. November 2013 15:02
>>>>> An: Alexander Mayrhofer
>>>>> Cc: gtld-tech at icann.org
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [gtld-tech] Delegated strings: WHOIS & SLAs...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you using whois.nic.<TLD> or the WHOIS server mentioned at 
>>>>> http://www.iana.org/whois?q=<TLD> ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rubens
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Alexander Mayrhofer 
>>>>> <alexander.mayrhofer at nic.at> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looking at some of the recently delegated new gTLDs, i was very 
>>>>>> surprised
>>>>> to learn that the WHOIS service is unreachable for some of those TLDs 
>>>>> (which makes me wonder how they passed PDT, or why the service 
>>>>> degraded since then?). Anyways, since WHOIS is included in the SLA 
>>>>> requirements of ICANN, this makes me also wonder when the SLA 
>>>>> actually "kicks in", and, whether the SLAs are actually being measured
>>> right now by ICANN ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any information about this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
>> Jay Daley
>> Chief Executive
>> .nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited)
>> desk: +64 4 931 6977
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Jay Daley
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.nz Registry Services (New Zealand Domain Name Registry Limited)
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