[gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D

Jody Kolker jkolker at godaddy.com
Tue Jan 26 19:19:13 UTC 2016

Hi Everyone,

Just a few facts to recap:

1.  I can't recall a single gTLD that is contracted by ICANN that does not auto renew a registered domain.  Every registered domain is renewed by the registry either on the expiration date of the domain or 45 days after the expiration date.  The domain is never deleted at the registry unless requested by the registrar or a policy supported mechanism.
2.  There are millions of domains where the registrar expiration date does not match the registry expiration date due to the auto renewal that is performed by the registry and the fact that the registrant has not renewed with the registrar.   

3.  The registrant has an agreement with the registrar to provide service for the registration of the domain, but does not have an agreement with the registry.  If the domain is not registered or deleted by the registrar, the registrant is going to contact the registrar regarding the issue.  

The registry expiration date provides a false sense of security to the registrant.  It does not display the actual date of service that the registrant has actual purchased and the registrar has agreed to provide.  

Adding the registrar expiration date to the registry whois will lead to more confusion to the registrant when the dates don't match.

An option could be to add a link to the whois output to an ICANN page listed with the registry expiration date and the registrar expiration date to explain what the date means to the registrant.  The link could be very similar to the links provided in the whois to explain the various domain statuses.  Here is an example of the links listed for the domain statuses:

Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited

The registry whois could be updated to:

Registry Expiry Date: 2017-01-13T04:00:00Z

The registrar whois could be updated to:

Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-01-13T04:00:00Z

Another option would be to remove the requirement of the registry to display the expiration date entirely and require the customer to go to the registrar to verify the expiration date of the domain.


Jody Kolker

-----Original Message-----
From: gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Rob Golding
Cc: gtld-tech at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D

Hello Rob, 

Registries process domain data according to their particular domain lifecycle, and it is done basing on the registry dates.

Sincerely Yours,

Maxim Alzoba
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On Jan 26, 2016, at 15:21 , "Rob Golding" <rob.golding at astutium.com> wrote:

>> Expiration Date: 09-feb-2017
>> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-05-25T05:45:12-05:00
> Essentially, as long as the registrardate <= registrydata, then all-is-good(tm) it's when they're the other way around that 'issues' can arise.
> Is the real question not simply "why does anyone need to know" ? 
> Registrant s/be relying on their Registrar Everyone else doesn't 
> matter as it's none of their business
> Rob

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