[gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D

Michele Neylon - Blacknight michele at blacknight.com
Wed Jan 27 16:27:28 UTC 2016


Registrars probably don’t want to run whois servers … the only reason we have them now is because of thin registries


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On 27/01/2016, 16:22, "gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Greg Aaron" <gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org on behalf of greg at illumintel.com> wrote:

>Once .COM and .NET (and .jobs) go thick, do registrars want to or need to
>operate WHOIS servers at all?  One of the ostensible benefits of thick
>registries is that there's only a need for one WHOIS server -- the
>authoritative registry one.  Right now, at least on their web-based WHOIS,
>many registrars just regurgitate registry WHOIS for any gTLD domain except
>for .COM and .NET.
>So I see three options: 
>1. Registrar-based WHOIS will always be required, because of expiration date
>variances we've been discussing here, caused by auto-renewals and registrar
>payment policies.
>2. Registrar-based WHOIS goes away.  Registry WHOIS contains an Registry
>Expiration Date AND a Registrar Expiration Date field.  The registrar
>populates and manages the latter.
>3. Registrar-based WHOIS goes away.  The WHOIS only shows the registry
>expiration date, and registrars and registrants have to communicate with
>each other about expirations and payments etc.
>All best,
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org] On
>Behalf Of Jody Kolker
>Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:19 PM
>To: Maxim Alzoba; Rob Golding
>Cc: gtld-tech at icann.org
>Subject: Re: [gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D
>Hi Everyone,
>Just a few facts to recap:
>1.  I can't recall a single gTLD that is contracted by ICANN that does not
>auto renew a registered domain.  Every registered domain is renewed by the
>registry either on the expiration date of the domain or 45 days after the
>expiration date.  The domain is never deleted at the registry unless
>requested by the registrar or a policy supported mechanism.
>2.  There are millions of domains where the registrar expiration date does
>not match the registry expiration date due to the auto renewal that is
>performed by the registry and the fact that the registrant has not renewed
>with the registrar.   
>3.  The registrant has an agreement with the registrar to provide service
>for the registration of the domain, but does not have an agreement with the
>registry.  If the domain is not registered or deleted by the registrar, the
>registrant is going to contact the registrar regarding the issue.  
>The registry expiration date provides a false sense of security to the
>registrant.  It does not display the actual date of service that the
>registrant has actual purchased and the registrar has agreed to provide.  
>Adding the registrar expiration date to the registry whois will lead to more
>confusion to the registrant when the dates don't match.
>An option could be to add a link to the whois output to an ICANN page listed
>with the registry expiration date and the registrar expiration date to
>explain what the date means to the registrant.  The link could be very
>similar to the links provided in the whois to explain the various domain
>statuses.  Here is an example of the links listed for the domain statuses:
>Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
>Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
>Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
>The registry whois could be updated to:
>Registry Expiry Date: 2017-01-13T04:00:00Z
>The registrar whois could be updated to:
>Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-01-13T04:00:00Z
>Another option would be to remove the requirement of the registry to display
>the expiration date entirely and require the customer to go to the registrar
>to verify the expiration date of the domain.
>Jody Kolker
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces at icann.org] On
>Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba
>Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:06 AM
>To: Rob Golding
>Cc: gtld-tech at icann.org
>Subject: Re: [gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D
>Hello Rob, 
>Registries process domain data according to their particular domain
>lifecycle, and it is done basing on the registry dates.
>Sincerely Yours,
>Maxim Alzoba
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>On Jan 26, 2016, at 15:21 , "Rob Golding" <rob.golding at astutium.com> wrote:
>>> Expiration Date: 09-feb-2017
>>> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-05-25T05:45:12-05:00
>> Essentially, as long as the registrardate <= registrydata, then
>all-is-good(tm) it's when they're the other way around that 'issues' can
>> Is the real question not simply "why does anyone need to know" ? 
>> Registrant s/be relying on their Registrar Everyone else doesn't 
>> matter as it's none of their business
>> Rob

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