[ICANN Academy WG] Reality, Realism, and Responsiveness -- a few of the three Rs that we must consider + Accountability

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Wed Aug 29 14:16:06 UTC 2012 

Hi,

I would add that in my use of the term, it includes 'bring up to speed' but also include 'from a specific  point of view'.
I see Education as a process that leads to discovery via the presentation of  many points of view (PoV)s and analyses and includes discussion.

For better or worse, and certainly not meant to be pejorative but just descriptive.  I do not consider the presentations that ICANN Staff generally give to be educational.  I consider many of those presentations indoctrination meant to get people up to speed using the ICANN Staff's POV on the relative importance and description of things.  I find the predominance of this in the 'curriculum' renders it indoctrination not education.

While I think we must include the policy directors etc from Staff in discussion of the issues before the various SOACs & Board, I do not think we should place the generic ICANN corporate POV at the center of the program.  As the current plan is very much from this top-down perspective, I object to it and feel that at this point the only judicious plan is a postponement and continued work along the lines Stéphane suggests.

avri


On 29 Aug 2012, at 09:31, Nigel Roberts wrote:

> Indoctrination is a (possibly archaic) term, which used to be used, 
> among other places in the intelligence community (i.e. the Security 
> Service (aka MI5), CIA etc).
> 
> It may still be, but I don't have direct knowledge of this.
> 
> It does NOT mean 'brainwashing' and in normal usage bears no pejorative 
> meaning: it merely means 'bringing someone up to speed on a new case'. 
> (At least that is the sense in which I read it in the email).I hope that 
> removed some of the confusion. :-)
> 
> Example:
> 
>>> Because the writing is so good and because it is not a literary adaptation, you’ve got to wonder if it wasn’t also a passion of the screenwriter, Eric Roth. It too is about a mole, a word that le Carré indoctrinated into the real intelligence world
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/29/2012 02:17 PM, sandra hoferichter wrote:
>> Dear Marilyn,
>> 
>> thank you for your thoughts. I will just reply to some of them, because
>> many things have been said by others already.
>> 
>> I agree with previous speaker, that modern communication tools can never
>> replace F2F meetings. E-learning, if it is well organised (the DIPLO
>> model is definitely one), is a valuable instrument to raise awareness,
>> get people involved globally on an entry level. To set up an online
>> course on an advanced level has the same challenges, I would say even
>> more, than a F2F meeting. For example: a global, holistic online-course
>> will take about 2 weeks, instead of a compromised 2-3 day course.
>> 
>> On the entry (or contributor) level a lot of e-learning material exists
>> already within ICANN. The WG focused on a training programme for the
>> leadership level, F2F because it is time effective and the networking
>> aspect is of great value. The aim was helping break down the silos. All
>> this has been discussed in the past among the At-large WG, but now that
>> we are working in an expanded WG we must reconsider and discuss all option.
>> 
>> However in a modular system - I am referring now to pyramid - advanced
>> e-learning and F2F, or a combination of both is not contradictory. You
>> can add and improve modules as per need and learn from it. Such an
>> inclusive model should be the long term aim for this WG.
>> 
>> “Is this introduction, intro-doctrination, …”
>> 
>> Definitely not! The term “indoctrination” was used by some members in
>> this list and I have difficulties to understand where this comes from.
>> Sending out the curriculum to the WG for comments should prove the
>> opposite. We experienced a confusing meeting  in Prague, questioning who
>> is responsible and in charge of what. Whilst presenting a draft
>> curriculum I was hoping we can focus now on the content and agree on a
>> curriculum for Toronto.
>> 
>> As for now, following the discussion on the list and the doodle, I see
>> only a minimum chance that we have a pilot in Toronto and I agree here
>> with you that the questions: “Why: Who: What: When: AND WHAT NOT to do:
>> what to co exist with, etc.” should be further discussed and we should
>> build consensus on these questions.
>> 
>> A final decision must be taken after closing the doodle tomorrow 30.Aug.
>> 24:00 UTC and then we can check the options for a (additional?) meeting
>> in Toronto. The official WG meeting is already scheduled for Wednesday,
>> 17 October between 11:00-12:30. This time will be not enough to discus
>> all matters, but a conference call or email exchange can help to prepare
>> the meeting.
>> 
>> Let’s prove the options once we have a final decision
>> 
>> Best Sandra
>> 
>> *Von:*at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im
>> Auftrag von *Marilyn Cade
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 28. August 2012 17:25
>> *An:* Alain Berranger; tyokunbo at yahoo.co.uk
>> *Cc:* At Large ICANN Academy
>> *Betreff:* [ICANN Academy WG] Reality, Realism, and Responsiveness -- a
>> few of the three Rs that we must consider + Accountability
>> 
>> I am struggling with what I will say in this email.
>> 
>> first, I want all of us to stop, and think, and then try to agree.
>> 
>> What is the purpose of an ICANN sponsored/funded/supported 'academy'?
>> 
>> Is an 'academy' from ICANN our best strategy?
>> 
>> What are the topics?
>> 
>> Who is the audience?
>> 
>> What is the credibility of an ICANN academy?
>> 
>> Is this introduction, intro-doctrination, or something else?
>> 
>> Given the harsh demands of work on the Constituencies/SGs/ALAC, and
>> probably others, is this 'overview' or a more formalized training
>> approach that is 'verified' with the entities?
>> 
>> I understand that some are citing examples of sessions held in Europe or
>> Latin America with guest speakers, none of whom are certified, or
>> accountable to any entity, nor do they represent any official view. that
>> has great value.
>> 
>> Let's introduce a different model: ONLINE training.
>> 
>> For instance, the DIPLO training is in fact highly successful in
>> reaching large numbers of interested parties. Some become participants.
>> Many just are better informed and more aware of ICANN, or IG, or the
>> topic that is presented.
>> 
>> I have no relationship to DIPLO,but I do have a concern. The Academy as
>> proposed by whomever designed it is based on a model that makes
>> assumptions that to me are elitist, and require face to face for a few.
>> The BC strongly wants to support training for the many -- including
>> information that can be widely distributed by entities like the BC, etc.
>> 
>> Some seem, again, to want to provide indoctrination/orientation to NC
>> appointees. It is of concern to the BC that people who know nothing
>> about ICANN are being appointed to leadership positions. BUT, any
>> information/briefings/orientation must be neutral. Orientation of newly
>> appointed reps, whether Board or other, could be a one half day
>> orientation session with the chairs of the various
>> SOs/AC/Constituencies/SGs on Friday. That is a simple matter; less
>> 'stressful' and is more an orientation session than an indoctrination
>> opportunity. It also can be accomplished in a 1/2 day to 2/3 day segment.
>> 
>> Decisions are needed on who can participate: all appointees? Chairs and
>> designees? staff -- whom? BUT, it simplifies one of the objectives of
>> the Academy and allows us to move the Academy concept into a more
>> realistic and responsible discussion, which is not trying to solve too
>> many problems at once.
>> 
>> summary:
>> 
>> We are struggling with implementing a process that simply lacks full
>> support. I have to focus on my responsibilities as BC Chair. I can come
>> in a day early, but only if we decide now. I cannot stay after the ICANN
>> meeting -- I have to travel to Montreal to a global event on ICTs. I'll
>> travel Friday/late afternoon/early evening, so have some time during day
>> Friday/post ICANN for a short discussion/debrief.
>> 
>> However, the ICANN Board MUST meet in Toronto, or run the risk of
>> conveying to the community that they simply don't care about
>> accountability and transparency. So, we should assume an ICANN Board
>> meeting on Friday. That still leaves a two hour segment Friday
>> afternoon. However, I have work to do with my Constituency/SG, and I
>> need to plan accordingly.
>> 
>> Can we not use part of Friday - *pre ICANN *- and discuss key questions:
>> 
>> Why:
>> 
>> Who:
>> 
>> What:
>> 
>> When:
>> 
>> AND WHAT NOT to do: what to co exist with, etc.
>> 
>> Question to ICANN staff:
>> 
>> Can you accept that an academy may not be a physical event, but could
>> best be an online and widely available service that is online? That
>> doesn't preclude an ocassional face to face, but online training is a
>> different matter in terms of development, skills, and capability. And
>> reach.
>> 
>> Is someone on staff or Board somehow so focused on having a physical
>> 'academy' that using online training mechanisms are not an option? We
>> should determine now how flexible staff/board are willing to be on this.
>> 
>> And, I need to assess how much resource, commitment and time that the BC
>> can devote to the needs we see for enhancing support for participation
>> from business and others.
>> 
>> Marilyn Cade, BC Chair
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:03:14 -0400
>> From: alain.berranger at gmail.com
>> To: tyokunbo at yahoo.co.uk
>> CC: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto -
>> decision on the dates
>> 
>> Three quick points:
>> 
>> 1) the majority of those expressing a preference for postponing are all
>> experienced and well trained in ICANN matters;
>> 
>> 2) would it make sense to poll the prospective trainees? They have the
>> most at stake in learning.
>> 
>> 3) an important benefit of training is the networking between trainees;
>> given that this training involves a good chunk of ICANN stakeholders'
>> leadership, this networking would produce substantial value.
>> 
>> Alain
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, TYokunbo Abiola wrote:
>> 
>> Having read about the Toronto training program for some time, I strongly
>> agree with Bill's ideas.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adetokunbo Abiola
>> 
>> --- On *Tue, 28/8/12, William Drake /<william.drake at uzh.ch>/* wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
>> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto -
>> decision on the dates
>> To: "sandra hoferichter" <info at hoferichter.eu>
>> Cc: "at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org"
>> <at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, 28 August, 2012, 3:18
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> While I strongly support capacity building and outreach/inreach and
>> would not want to cause frustration among those who've worked hard on
>> this, I think I agree with Avri and Chuck that postponement merits
>> serious consideration. There still seems to be different baseline
>> visions in play with regard to goals, substance, mechanics and
>> governance, and it's not obvious that these can all be effectively
>> resolved quickly enough to ensure a good outcome in Toronto. And if a
>> "not ready for prime time" version is rushed out and doesn't go
>> splendidly, this could have a negative impact on community perceptions
>> of the utility of such efforts going forward. I'd rather see it
>> unambiguously done right and build the support needed for a regular
>> activity than have it be the object of gossip and dissensus (not that
>> that could happen in ICANN, but…).
>> 
>> A little more percolation and community direction seems advisable to me.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:53 AM, sandra hoferichter wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Avri, postpone the programme would be that last option only, which
>> I put not as an option yet. Taking into consideration the NomCom
>> selections and the new CEO participation, I still see some very good
>> reasons to go for Toronto. The Autumn meeting was not proposed just by
>> chance. Furthermore I believe we can get things done, now that we are in
>> the dialogue.
>>> 
>>> Best Sandra
>>> 
>>> (Note: This message was send from my iPhone - I do apologise for any
>> misspelling.)
>>> 
>>> Am 28.08.2012 um 01:01 schrieb "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=cgomes%40verisign.com>>:
>>> 
>>>> Considering how late it is before the Toronto meetings, this is
>> worth considering. At the same time, I personally will contribute
>> however possible to do what needs to be done if we keep the Toronto target.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:
>> at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> <http://mc/compose?to=at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces%40atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>> [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-
>>>>> lists.icann.org <http://lists.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:20 PM
>>>>> To: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org
>> <http://mc/compose?to=at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg%40icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] Pilot leadership training in Toronto -
>>>>> decision on the dates
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> other ideas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would it be possible/reasonable to add the option of postponing the
>>>>> leadership training from Toronto to a later time when a properly
>>>>> constituted plan can be considered?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> avri
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 27 Aug 2012, at 17:00, sandra hoferichter wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thank you again for the valuable comments which has been posted on
>>>>> this list. I did not respond to everyone, but they should all feed into
>>>>> the further discussion and the final curriculum.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Coming back to one of Filiz' earlier email I like to draw your
>>>>> attention to the following question and ask you kindly to express your
>>>>> opinion in a doodle.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Due to the time conflicts for some assigned participants, we like to
>>>>> get a clearer picture about the duration of the leadership training in
>>>>> Toronto.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I propose 3 options and ask all WG members*** to choose, what do you
>>>>>> think is the most appropriate solution. Feel free to consider also
>>>>> the
>>>>>> feedback of your SO / AC / SG chair whilst making the choice
>>>>>> here:http://www.doodle.com/4c4fa7dehuaksckx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *** For group balancing reasons I ask the recent ALAC programme
>>>>> committee members (Avri, Tijani, Sala, Carlos) only to reply on the
>>>>> doodle.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The options are:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. A one day orientation programme on Fri, 12th October à this
>>>>> will avoid time conflicts, especially for the GNSO, board and current
>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
>> 
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>> 
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