[ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto rescheduled

Fri Sep 14 06:39:08 UTC 2012

I adopt and re-aver Chuck's words, underlining them.

I was very heartened in particular when the words 'learning goals' 
started to be used.

My personal experience perhaps informs my attitude here. I "attended" 
law school between 2004-2008.  My law school was distance-learning based 
(we had a day of classes once a month).

So the teaching method used was not the Socratic Method, which is 
beloved of American law professors, and sentimentalised in The Paper 
Chase (and in which the learning goals are to put it mildly, opaque).

Instead, the method was pedagogic, and each section in the manual 
started out with words similar to:

"LEARNING GOALS**

At the end of this chapter you will be able to :-

(a)    understand the difference between frobozz and frobnitz

(b)    understand the essential elements of conspiracy to contravene the 
Flood Control Dam (Number 3) Security and Stability Act  ("the J. 
Flathead Pierpont Act")

(c)    recognise the defences to the inchoate offence of attemping to 
steal an amount over 1000 zorkmids"

I finf that the results of a learning goal based approach to education 
are spectacular.

And therefore I warmly welcome and support a strategic, top-down design 
to the ICANN Academy.  It can only be right that we Do It Right, in 
preference to Do It Immediately.

Nigel

(**PS: My apologies to any ancient seekers of treasure in the 
Underground Empire.)

On 14/09/12 01:16, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>
> Thanks Sandra for getting the ball rolling on our continuing work and 
> in particular for developing a draft agenda for our meeting in Toronto.
>
> First let me share my initial thoughts on the five agenda topics you 
> suggested for Toronto, based on my understanding of the discussion we 
> have had on this list over the last several weeks:
>
> 1.specify the target group (incoming and / or current leaders) I 
> believe that this topic was definitely discussed by many in our group 
> and is a needed one.  I would just add that we shouldn't assume there 
> would be one target group.  Based on list discussions, it seems clear 
> that there are multiple target groups.
>
> 2.agree on the learning goal I believe that this was one of the most 
> important points made on our list.  As a minor edit though, I believe 
> it will be learning goals (plural).
>
> 3.discuss the methodology (online / F2F / proposed resource person) 
> Methodology is an essential topic that we need to discuss but I don't 
> think we can accomplish too much in that regard until we reach at 
> least rough consensus on items 1 and 2 above.  That doesn't mean that 
> 1 and 2 have to be completed in full but I do think that we have to 
> have made considerable progress on them before we can effectively talk 
> about methodologies.  And I do not think that we should assume that we 
> have to use only one methodology or that only one resource person is 
> needed; I do not fully understand what you mean by a resource person, 
> but, if my understanding in that regard is at least partially correct, 
> it is possible that we might need multiple resource people with 
> different areas of expertise unless we can identify one person that is 
> well skilled in all applicable areas of needed expertise.
>
> 4.agree on the dates and the duration of this pilot programme This 
> seems to assume that a pilot program is our main objective.  We 
> certainly could decide that, but I think that we need to discuss that 
> and see if we all agree on that.  Like item 3, I think we first need 
> to make considerable progress on items 1 & 2 before we can effectively 
> talk about dates and duration.
>
> 5.discuss and agree with ICANN staff how to implement this project I 
> seriously doubt that this is at all realistic for Toronto.  How can we 
> talk about implementation until we reach agreement on items 1, 2 and 3 
> above.
>
> In my opinion, If we were able to make good progress on items 1 & 2 on 
> the list prior to Toronto and in our meeting in Toronto, that would be 
> commendable and would set a solid foundation for the continuing work.  
> But to do that, I believe that we will need to seriously focus our 
> efforts on those two topics.  I believe that the rest of the work will 
> flow much more easily and quickly if make significant progress on 1 & 
> 2.  If we do not come to reasonable agreement on 1 & 2 then I think we 
> will all be going in different directions.  Once we decide on possible 
> target groups and agree on learning goals for those target groups, 
> then we can begin to narrow down what might be possible for Shanghai, 
> understanding that we may have to select a subset of target groups and 
> learning goals for whatever might be done there.
>
> I suspect that many in our group who have been working on this for 
> many months might think we are moving backwards and all their efforts 
> might seem wasted but let me suggest otherwise. Once we are in 
> agreement about the target groups and learning goals, the results of 
> all the hard work that has happened to date will be able to be fit 
> into a plan to accomplish the learning goals and meet the needs of the 
> target audiences.
>
>
> On a little bit different subject, I think that Tijani and Hong are 
> correct that the "pilot and academy are 2 projects. We may wish to 
> figure out how to proceed in both short and long term."  I would take 
> that a little further and say that we might actually end up with more 
> than two projects; in fact, I predict that that will be the case and 
> that we will have to decide which projects we focus on first.  As I 
> already said, once we agree on  items 1 & 2 above, we will then need 
> to begin to think about which target groups and learning goals we want 
> to direct our attention to in the near term,  including what kind of 
> pilot program we may want to plan for Shanghai.
>
> I hope this is helpful and welcome feedback from others.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] 
> *On Behalf Of *sandra hoferichter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:48 PM
> *To:* 'At Large ICANN Academy'
> *Subject:* [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto 
> rescheduled
>
> Dear all,
>
> I received the information that the Academy WG is now scheduled for: 
> Wednesday, 17 October 7-10 a.m. Although not all of us will make it to 
> attend a 3 hours meeting, I hope to meet many of you at least partly.
>
> From the recent exchange on this mailing list I draw the conclusion 
> that generally the support and the need for a leadership training 
> programme is given SOAC wide. If we can agree furthermore, that the 
> long term goal of this WG is, to work on a modular inclusive capacity 
> building system, which allows us to implement new modules in the 
> future and modify existing modules, I would now focus on a leadership 
> pilot project for Beijing. I am referring here again to the modular 
> pyramid (enclosed), which is not written in stone but should serve as 
> a template for our work.
>
> That means for our agenda in Toronto we have to:
>
> 6.specify the target group (incoming and / or current leaders)
>
> 7.agree on the learning goal
>
> 8.discuss the methodology (online / F2F / proposed resource person)
>
> 9.agree on the dates and the duration of this pilot programme
>
> 10.discuss and agree with ICANN staff how to implement this project
>
> As for the curriculum, I propose to set up a drafting team in Toronto 
> which will work on the curriculum afterwards and present it to the 
> wider WG later this year.
>
> Please let me know if you can generally agree to the proposed course 
> of action and post your comments and changes here on this list.
>
> Looking forward to it!
>
> Best Sandra
>
>
>
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