[ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto rescheduled

Fri Sep 14 18:01:08 UTC 2012

BC Chair comments in CAPs below. 

From: cgomes at verisign.com
To: info at hoferichter.eu; at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:16:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto rescheduled

Thanks Sandra for getting the ball rolling on our continuing work and in particular for developing a draft agenda for our meeting in Toronto.

First let me share my initial thoughts on the five agenda topics you suggested for Toronto, based on my understanding of the discussion we have had on this list over the last several weeks:
1.     
specify the target group (incoming and / or current leaders) 
I believe that this topic was definitely discussed by many in our group and is a needed one.  I would just add that we shouldn’t assume there would be one target group.  Based on list discussions, it seems clear that there
 are multiple target groups. MSC: AGREED.
2.     
agree on the learning goal 
I believe that this was one of the most important points made on our list.  As a minor edit though, I believe it will be learning goals (plural).MSC: AGREED 
3.     
discuss the methodology (online / F2F / proposed resource person) 
Methodology is an essential topic that we need to discuss but I don’t think we can accomplish too much in that regard until we reach at least rough consensus on items 1 and 2 above.  That doesn’t mean that 1 and 2 have to
 be completed in full but I do think that we have to have made considerable progress on them before we can effectively talk about methodologies.  And I do not think that we should assume that we have to use only one methodology or that only one resource person
 is needed; I do not fully understand what you mean by a resource person, but, if my understanding in that regard is at least partially correct, it is possible that we might need multiple resource people with different areas of expertise unless we can identify
 one person that is well skilled in all applicable areas of needed expertise.MSC: FIRST, LET'S DEFINE WHY, WHAT, AND WHO, AND MECHANISMS.  I REMAIN DISMAYED THAT WITHOUT CONSENSUS, THERE IS A PLAN TO HOLD A PILOT TRAINING, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT MEETS THE BROADER NEEDS. CAN WE START WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHY WE ARE DOING, AND TO WHOM WE ARE DOING? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF OUR FACE TO FACE MEETING. IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT THE AGENDA MORPHED TO CREATE AN AGENDA FOR A TRAINING ACADEMY, NOT WHAT IS NEEDED, ACROSS ALL OF ICANN.  WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF BOTH, BUT LET'S GET A BASIC AGREEMENT ON WHAT IS NEEDED FIRST. 

4.     
agree on the dates and the duration of this pilot programme 
This seems to assume that a pilot program is our main objective.  We certainly could decide that, but I think that we need to discuss that and see if we all agree on that.  Like item 3, I think we first need to make considerable
 progress on items 1 & 2 before we can effectively talk about dates and duration.MSC: I THNK WE MUST DO ITEMS 1 AND 2 FIRST. 
5.     
discuss and agree with ICANN staff how to implement this project 
I seriously doubt that this is at all realistic for Toronto.  How can we talk about implementation until we reach agreement on items 1, 2 and 3 above. MSC: I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS 1,2.3. MSC: I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS SEEMS TO SOMEHOW HAVE REVERTED TO A STAFF/CONSULTANT PRIORITY, AFTER MANY OF US EXPRESSED THE NEED TO FIRST REACH BASIC AGREEMENTS.  I CAN SUPPORT THE BASELINE DISCUSSIONS.

In my opinion, If we were able to make good progress on items 1 & 2 on the list prior to Toronto and in our meeting in Toronto, that would be commendable and would set a solid foundation for the continuing work. 
 But to do that, I believe that we will need to seriously focus our efforts on those two topics.  I believe that the rest of the work will flow much more easily and quickly if make significant progress on 1 & 2.  If we do not come to reasonable agreement on
 1 & 2 then I think we will all be going in different directions.  Once we decide on possible target groups and agree on learning goals for those target groups, then we can begin to narrow down what might be possible for Shanghai, understanding that we may
 have to select a subset of target groups and learning goals for whatever might be done there.

I suspect that many in our group who have been working on this for many months might think we are moving backwards and all their efforts might seem wasted but let me suggest otherwise.  Once we are in agreement
 about the target groups and learning goals, the results of all the hard work that has happened to date will be able to be fit into a plan to accomplish the learning goals and meet the needs of the target audiences.

On a little bit different subject, I think that Tijani and Hong are correct that the “pilot and academy are 2 projects. We may wish to figure out how to proceed in both short and long term.”  I would take that a little further
 and say that we might actually end up with more than two projects; in fact, I predict that that will be the case and that we will have to decide which projects we focus on first.  As I already said, once we agree on  items 1 & 2 above, we will then need to
 begin to think about which target groups and learning goals we want to direct our attention to in the near term,  including what kind of pilot program we may want to plan for Shanghai.MSC: I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME ARE SOMEHOW THINKING THAT THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO AN ICANN ACADEMY, WHICH SINGLES OUT SELECTED PARTICIPANTS FOR ORIENTATION AND 'INTRO-DOCINTRATION' ABOUT ICANN. WE ALL HAVE A BROADER RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING IN AS MANY AND AS DIVERSE STAKEHOLDERS AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND: PILOT AND ACADEMY ARE 2 PROJECTS? I THOUGHT THAT WE NEEDED TO FIRST AGREE ON WHAT IS DESIRED. EARLIER PROPOSALS MAY SURVIVE, OR NEED MODIFICATION TO ACHIEVE BROADER SUPPORT. 
LET'S SEE WHAT WE ALL AGREE IS NEEDED.  THAT IS WEDNESDAY'S DISCUSSION, IS IT NOT?  

 I AM INTERESTED IN SEEING IF WE CAN ADVANCE BROADER INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS THAT ADVANCE MUCH MORE DIVERSE AND INFORMED PARTICIPATION FROM THE MANY.  

I hope this is helpful and welcome feedback from others.

Chuck
 MSC: CHUCK: THANKS. MY COMMENTS IN CAPS ABOVE. MARILYN 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:48 PM

To: 'At Large ICANN Academy'

Subject: [ICANN Academy WG] ICANN Academy WG meetings in Toronto rescheduled

Dear all, 

I received the information that the Academy WG is now scheduled for: Wednesday, 17 October 7-10 a.m. Although not all of us will make it to attend a 3 hours meeting, I hope to meet many of you at least partly.

>From the recent exchange on this mailing list I draw the conclusion that generally the support and the need for a leadership training programme is given SOAC wide. If we can agree furthermore, that the long term
 goal of this WG is, to work on a modular inclusive capacity building system, which allows us to implement new modules in the future and modify existing modules, I would now focus on a leadership pilot project for Beijing. I am referring here again to the modular
 pyramid (enclosed), which is not written in stone but should serve as a template for our work.

That means for our agenda in Toronto we have to:
6.     
specify the target group (incoming and / or current leaders)
7.     
agree on the learning goal
8.     
discuss the methodology (online / F2F / proposed resource person)
9.     
agree on the dates and the duration of this pilot programme
10.  
discuss and agree with ICANN staff how to implement this project

As for the curriculum, I propose to set up a drafting team in Toronto which will work on the curriculum afterwards and present it to the wider WG later this year.

Please let me know if you can generally agree to the proposed course of action and post your comments and changes here on this list.

Looking forward to it!

Best Sandra

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