[ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training Programme in Buenos Aires

Fri Sep 6 13:41:33 UTC 2013

Hi,

I know the Trainers for the last 2 days are not being compensated.  I assume, thought there still are the expenses on needing to house/feed them for 4 days  (assuming they were coming to BA anyway, if not there was also flight expenses). I figure this is on a budget somewhere.

On the other training, the facilitation training for which we are not responsible, I assume the trainers are being paid and there is a budget for all of that.  I was curious about the comparative costs between the two programs. I assume the budget is transparent and maybe we saw the budget already, but I don't remember seeing that. 

The comparison of budgets is part of an argument that we should not be pennywise on the budget for the substantive training on the critical issues before ICANN while spending a lot to teach our leaders some facilitation techniques that may or may not help in the specific cauldron that is the ICANN WG/C/SG/AC/SO/Board

thanks

avri

On 6 Sep 2013, at 09:12, Tijani BENJEMAA wrote:

> Hi Avri,
>  
> I agree with you that the trainers we wrote the principles for their selection are those of the leadership training only since the facilitation training has its trainers.
> As for the budget, it doesn’t include any compensation for the trainers as I was told (that’s why I removed the compensation from the document related to the principles for selection of the trainers).
>  
> Since we have been told that the trainers have agreed on the period, that means that they are already appointed……..
>  
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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Avri Doria
> Envoyé : vendredi 6 septembre 2013 13:42
> À : ICANN Academy WG
> Objet : Re: [ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training Programme in Buenos Aires
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I thought the trainers for the 13-14 were attached to the company that ICANN had brought in to do this training and had nothing to do with any of us or other usual suspects.
>  
> It does appear thought, that with trainers for the second part, the one that sort of involves us, and the whole idea that they prefer trainers who are also students so they can do it cheaper, may be pennywise but misses the point  of a training event completely.  For example, for 2 days of classes, it looks like ICANN is only willing to sponsor 3 trainers from among the experienced community.
>  
> Does anyone know how the budget breaks down for the who 4 days: e.g. how much for special trainers in group management, versus how much for expert trainers in the relevant ICANN information?
>  
> avri
>  
> On 6 Sep 2013, at 08:16, Hong Xue wrote:
>  
> >
> > Dear Sandra and all,
> >
> > We should note such important information:
> > 
> >
> > "Unfortunately the trainers of the Incite Learning Facilitation Skills have
> > confirmed for the dates of 13-14 November. Therefore, the dates for each
> > will need to remain as originally scheduled."
> >
> >
> >
> > If the trainers for 13-14 November have been "confirmed", may we know whom they are, although we are not suppose to choose them (I misunderstood this initially)? Disclosure of these trainers may help us to define and select the trainers for 15-16 November. If one or more trainers are selected for both training programs, would that be more cost-effective for traveling and othe arrangements.
> >
> > Hong
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im
> > Auftrag von Avri Doria
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. September 2013 16:31
> > An: ICANN Academy WG
> > Betreff: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training Programme
> > in Buenos Aires
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I  do not know what other constraints there might be on scheduling, but this
> > is an interesting idea.
> >
> > One of the things I felt lacking was time for people to follow up on both
> > the OL training  and the face to face sessions with questions and free
> > ranging  conversation.
> >
> > Having the substantive sessions before the methods sessions would leave
> > people a chance to discuss in their free time as well as perhaps even use
> > some of the topics from the substantive training in the models training -
> > which I understand will have role playing and other assorted exercises.
> >
> > Then again as I said, the scheduling may be locked by other considerations
> > at this point.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 4 Sep 2013, at 09:46, Tijani BENJEMAA wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Olivier,
> > >
> > > I proposed to organize the leadership skill on 13-14 Nov. and the facility
> > skills on 15-16 Nov. Why not?
> > >
> > >
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> > > Tijani BEN JEMAA
> > > Executive Director
> > > Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
> > > Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
> > > Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
> > > Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
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> > >
> > >
> > > De : Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl at gih.com]
> > > Envoyé : mercredi 4 septembre 2013 11:34
> > > À : tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
> > > Cc : 'sandra hoferichter'; 'ICANN Academy WG'
> > > Objet : Re: [ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training Programme
> > in Buenos Aires
> > >
> > > Dear Tijani,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/09/2013 12:26, Tijani BENJEMAA wrote:
> > > And in case it’s open, I would suggest to organize it on 15-16 Nov. rather
> > than 13-14 so that interested people will come 2 days prior to the ICANN
> > meeting and not 4 days. I don’t think there is any harm in doing so.
> > > How could incoming SO/AC leaders be both at the leadership skills *and*
> > the facility skills if they take place on the same days?
> > > The facility skills is before the leadership skills by design so they can
> > attend both.
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Olivier
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