[ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training Programme in Buenos Aires

Fri Sep 6 14:54:21 UTC 2013

 Hello everyone,

For my part I agree with Tina DAM and Olga CAVALLI, if trainers are already
chosen, I think we should just give or publish a list of all those who
were retained
and thus close all discussions on this point.

Cordially

2013/9/6 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>

> Hi,
>
> I know the Trainers for the last 2 days are not being compensated.  I
> assume, thought there still are the expenses on needing to house/feed them
> for 4 days  (assuming they were coming to BA anyway, if not there was also
> flight expenses). I figure this is on a budget somewhere.
>
> On the other training, the facilitation training for which we are not
> responsible, I assume the trainers are being paid and there is a budget for
> all of that.  I was curious about the comparative costs between the two
> programs. I assume the budget is transparent and maybe we saw the budget
> already, but I don't remember seeing that.
>
> The comparison of budgets is part of an argument that we should not be
> pennywise on the budget for the substantive training on the critical issues
> before ICANN while spending a lot to teach our leaders some facilitation
> techniques that may or may not help in the specific cauldron that is the
> ICANN WG/C/SG/AC/SO/Board
>
> thanks
>
> avri
>
> On 6 Sep 2013, at 09:12, Tijani BENJEMAA wrote:
>
> > Hi Avri,
> >
> > I agree with you that the trainers we wrote the principles for their
> selection are those of the leadership training only since the facilitation
> training has its trainers.
> > As for the budget, it doesn’t include any compensation for the trainers
> as I was told (that’s why I removed the compensation from the document
> related to the principles for selection of the trainers).
> >
> > Since we have been told that the trainers have agreed on the period,
> that means that they are already appointed……..
> >
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Tijani BEN JEMAA
> > Executive Director
> > Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
> > Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
> > Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
> > Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org[mailto:
> at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la
> part de Avri Doria
> > Envoyé : vendredi 6 septembre 2013 13:42
> > À : ICANN Academy WG
> > Objet : Re: [ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training
> Programme in Buenos Aires
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I thought the trainers for the 13-14 were attached to the company that
> ICANN had brought in to do this training and had nothing to do with any of
> us or other usual suspects.
> >
> > It does appear thought, that with trainers for the second part, the one
> that sort of involves us, and the whole idea that they prefer trainers who
> are also students so they can do it cheaper, may be pennywise but misses
> the point  of a training event completely.  For example, for 2 days of
> classes, it looks like ICANN is only willing to sponsor 3 trainers from
> among the experienced community.
> >
> > Does anyone know how the budget breaks down for the who 4 days: e.g. how
> much for special trainers in group management, versus how much for expert
> trainers in the relevant ICANN information?
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 6 Sep 2013, at 08:16, Hong Xue wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Sandra and all,
> > >
> > > We should note such important information:
> > >
> > >
> > > "Unfortunately the trainers of the Incite Learning Facilitation Skills
> have
> > > confirmed for the dates of 13-14 November. Therefore, the dates for
> each
> > > will need to remain as originally scheduled."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If the trainers for 13-14 November have been "confirmed", may we know
> whom they are, although we are not suppose to choose them (I misunderstood
> this initially)? Disclosure of these trainers may help us to define and
> select the trainers for 15-16 November. If one or more trainers are
> selected for both training programs, would that be more cost-effective for
> traveling and othe arrangements.
> > >
> > > Hong
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > [mailto:
> at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im
> > > Auftrag von Avri Doria
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. September 2013 16:31
> > > An: ICANN Academy WG
> > > Betreff: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training
> Programme
> > > in Buenos Aires
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I  do not know what other constraints there might be on scheduling,
> but this
> > > is an interesting idea.
> > >
> > > One of the things I felt lacking was time for people to follow up on
> both
> > > the OL training  and the face to face sessions with questions and free
> > > ranging  conversation.
> > >
> > > Having the substantive sessions before the methods sessions would leave
> > > people a chance to discuss in their free time as well as perhaps even
> use
> > > some of the topics from the substantive training in the models
> training -
> > > which I understand will have role playing and other assorted exercises.
> > >
> > > Then again as I said, the scheduling may be locked by other
> considerations
> > > at this point.
> > >
> > > avri
> > >
> > > On 4 Sep 2013, at 09:46, Tijani BENJEMAA wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Olivier,
> > > >
> > > > I proposed to organize the leadership skill on 13-14 Nov. and the
> facility
> > > skills on 15-16 Nov. Why not?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > > > Tijani BEN JEMAA
> > > > Executive Director
> > > > Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
> > > > Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
> > > > Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
> > > > Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
> > > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De : Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl at gih.com]
> > > > Envoyé : mercredi 4 septembre 2013 11:34
> > > > À : tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
> > > > Cc : 'sandra hoferichter'; 'ICANN Academy WG'
> > > > Objet : Re: [ICANN Academy WG] PILOT - ICANN Leadership Training
> Programme
> > > in Buenos Aires
> > > >
> > > > Dear Tijani,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 04/09/2013 12:26, Tijani BENJEMAA wrote:
> > > > And in case it’s open, I would suggest to organize it on 15-16 Nov.
> rather
> > > than 13-14 so that interested people will come 2 days prior to the
> ICANN
> > > meeting and not 4 days. I don’t think there is any harm in doing so.
> > > > How could incoming SO/AC leaders be both at the leadership skills
> *and*
> > > the facility skills if they take place on the same days?
> > > > The facility skills is before the leadership skills by design so
> they can
> > > attend both.
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Olivier
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> > > Beijing Normal University
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